God’s Science Vol. 6.4 OverSpirit: Destruction of Heaven






Or, the Destruction of Heaven:

The “Second,” More “Mature,” “Full”er

“Appearance” of God; Through Contemporary

Religious Studies, or the Science of God;

Vol . 6 The Destruction of Heaven/The Harm Done by Preachers



Chapter 5


The Destruction of Heaven






Today, and for some time, many people have been noting imperfections – and even apparent terrible sins – in our holy men. In both them personally, but also in their most allegedly holy, sacred, inspired doctrines; in their very picture of Christ. But though many sources of information tell us this, how can this be true? How can we “face” or believe what our eyes are telling us? Those of us raised all our lives to absolutely believe and trust in the churches, as “perfect,” and “holy”? In fact finally, it is the point of our volumes here, to show that there is a way to simply facing this and processing it; by simply looking into a series of neglected prophesies in the Bible itself. A series of prophesies that warned constantly, and throughout the entire Bible, that one “day” or another, we are supposed to see precisely, what we are seeing now: that 1) there have been great sins, in our holiest men; so that 2) rather that simply have faith in the mythical perfection of our holy men, instead, 3) we are supposed to apply a critical “science” to all things in Christianity; to see what things really hold up, and which are not. And 4) if when we do this, our traditional heaven itself seems to dissolve? Then after all, our old heaven of “faith” in “miracles” and “spirituality” is supposed to collapse, dissolve. All 5) in order for us to see after all, a “second,” “fuller,” more “refin”ing vision, “appearance” – a Second Coming – of Christ.




Section 1


Heaven … Is Supposed to be Destroyed



At first it seems impossible; but our Bible itself – in parts of the Bible your preachers never quite accurately told you about – tells us that there have always been great sins and errors, even in our holiest men and angels, in heaven; in them, and in their most “infallible” and “inspired” doctrines and sayings, too. And, because of that, one “day,” our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed.


Here, we will find that the Bible is true – but true in a way that our preachers have not understood. The Bible actually, we will find here, a self-critical document; one that tells you – in a level of the Biblical text your preachers never told you about – that 1) our holiest men and angels and their most “inspired” and “infallible” doctrines, have always been deeply flawed. So amazingly enough, 2) the Bible says that therefore, our Christianity was never supposed to be based on strong a) “faith”; faith in ancient holy men, with their promises of b) “miracles” or even c) “spirituality.” Instead, the Bible said, we should learn to trust more to practical sense, reason, and to “science.” Especially since in fact, 3) because indeed, because of so many sins in our holiest men and angels, one “day,” our ancient heaven itself, is supposed to be destroyed. In 4) order for us to see a “second,” better, “fuller,” more “mature,” vision, a science, of God; a Second Coming of God.


Is all this really possible? First of all, is heaven itself, really supposed to be destroyed? At first, this seems impossible, or heretical; or to be against the Bible, and God. Yet we will find here, that the Bible itself says it, over and over.


In fact, the Bible tells us firmly, more than a dozen times, that Heaven itself, is supposed to be destroyed:



“Heaven … will pass away…. Take heed, watch…” (Jesus, or God; in The Holy Bible, New Testament, Gospel book of St. Mark;13.31-32; Revised Standard Version, or “RSV”).


“Jesus began to say to them, ‘Take heed that no one leads you astray…. Heaven … will pass away…. Take heed, watch….'” (Jesus, in Mark 13.5-37, excerpts from The Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version, or RSV).


“All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. All their host shall fall, as leaves falling from the fig tree. For my sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; behold, it descends for judgement…” (Isa. 34.4-5).


“By the same word the present heavens … have been reserved for fire…” (2 Peter 3.7, NRSV).


“The heavens will be kindled and dissolved…” (2 Peter 3.12 RSV).


“The day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise….” (2 Peter 3.10 RSV).


“The heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire…” (2 Peter 3.7 RSV).


“The powers in the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory…. Heaven and earth will pass away…. Take heed, watch…” (Jesus, Mark 13.14-32, excerpts).


“The world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgement and destruction….” (2 Peter 3.7 RSV; italics, mine).


“Though they climb up to heaven, from there I will bring them down” (Amos 9.2).


“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away” (Rev. 20.11).


“The heavens will be kindled and dissolved” (2 Peter 3.12).


“Heaven and earth will pass away” (Jesus, in Mark 13.31; Mat. 24.35; Luke 21.33).


“No one has ascended into heaven but he” (Job 3.13).


“Beloved, do not believe every spirit,” (1 John 4.1).


“The LORD will punish the host of heaven, in heaven….” (Isa. 24.21 RSV).


“The heavens will dissolve like smoke” (Isa. 51.6).





Can Religion, God, an “Eternal” Heaven,





At first then, all this seems impossible, amazing, or shattering; we were always told in church, that heaven was “eternal.” Amazingly enough though, we will be finding here – against so many sermons and homilies that claimed otherwise – that our ancient Christian Heaven itself … is not “eternal.” But is supposed to be dissolved. While – as we will see here – any references to an apparently “eternal” heaven, are actually references to, reverent euphemisms for, eternal God himself. But as for heaven itself? The heaven full of apostles, saints, angels, prophets? We find here, heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed. (For that matter, note that the Catholic Church in 2007 also began to de-emphasize “Purgatory” too).


Preachers to be sure, have often claimed that they, and their churches – or their heaven, their vision of God in heaven – are all but “perfect,” or “sacred.” And therefore, they especially, it has been claimed, should – and will – never “change.”
Yet we are about to find out here and now though, that 1) if God himself does not change, in some metaphysical sense, 2) still, one “day” or another, there are supposed to be HUGE changes in our perception of religion, of Christianity. (We will be speaking of Christianity as a “religion,” here; which it is, at the least until it goes through an important transformation, and becomes a science).


Changes can and should and will come to Christianity … said the Bible itself. First, among other things, there are supposed to be a) changes in how we perceive God; when we “mature,” for example.


Then too, b) there are often historical changes in how God, good, chooses to present themselves to us. Indeed, we might add now, there were many changes in the Judeo-Christian tradition, between Judaism, and Christianity; between the Old and the New testaments.


But then too, c) now we clearly add that finally, the Bible itself clearly says that one “day,” there is supposed to be a gigantic change, even in the heart of Christianity itself: one “Day,” God is returns to earth. To and issue some “new” words. While d) in that time, furthermore, our old traditional Christian heaven itself, is supposed to be destroyed. In order for God to show us a “second,” “new,” “full”er, more “mature” vision, Second Coming, of God.


Great changes have often come already, to Judeo-Christianity, therefore. And furthermore, one day or another, a huge, rather Apocalyptic change, is supposed to come to Christianity, and to the earth: one Apocalyptic “day,” our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed; and God is supposed to show us another, “second” and better, “fuller” vision of heaven.


And what is more, we will show, this Apocalyptic change, even to heaven itself, can be said to be beginning, even now, today. Today and for some time, contemporary common sense, and theology, and science, have been in point of fact, demolishing our traditional world view – and demolishing our traditional view of God; our traditional heaven, in point of fact. As we will see here, in particular, ancient promises of physical “miracles” have been in doubt for some time; but also promises of “spiritual” things too.


But if our traditional vision of God and good, our heaven, have already long since been under attack by common sense and theology, then we will find out here, that after all, the negative findings of science and reason, on much of Religion, can at last be justified, here, in terms acceptable to believers; since all this was authorized, we will show here, by the Bible itself. The fact is, the Bible itself warned us over and over, that 1) there have always been great sins and errors, even in our holiest men and angels. And therefore, 2) the Bible told us that Christianity is not supposed to be based on “faith”; but instead, is supposed to be based on science; on scientifically examining “everything” in our holiest men and angels; to see if it is materially productive and therefore true … or not. And 3) if we discovering that major elements of our holiest men and angels were “false”? And if our very heaven itself therefore, seems to begin to collapse? Then 4) one “day” after all, our traditional heaven itself is supposed to collapse. And 5) furthermore, this Apocalyptic moment, spiritually painful as it is, is all to the good; since, as it turns out, even as our traditional heaven of “miracles” and “spirituality” is destroyed, we will also be coming to see – as we will be even now – the first glimmerings of the foretold “second” and better vision, Coming, of God.




Is Heaven or Anything in Religion “Eternal”?



As it turns out, our preachers have mislead themselves and us for centuries; by quoting to us, only misrepresentative parts of the Bible. Parts that, for example, seemed, taken by themselves, to tell us that our heaven was “eternal.” At first then, the destruction of our heaven itself seems impossible or heretical; to be against God and the Bible. Because to be sure, our preachers constantly quoted to us parts of the Bible that seemed to say that our Heaven itself – and its “law”s and so forth – was “eternal” and everlasting, or could not ever “change”:



“For I the LORD do not change” (Mal. 3.6 Revised Standard Version, or “RSV”).


“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever” (Heb. 13.8).


“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal; but store up for yourselves treasure in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consume and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also” (Mat. 6.19-21 RSV).


“You will have treasure in heaven” (Mat. 19.21; Mark 10.21; Luke 18.22).


“The things that are unseen are eternal. For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens” (2 Corin. 5.1 RSV).


“He is bound to keep the whole law” (Gal. 5.3).


“Keeping all the words of this law” (Deut. 18.19).


“Till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law, until all is accomplished” (Mat. 5.18).



Many fragmented parts of the Bible indeed, have been quoted in millions of sermons, by preachers eager to assure us that our preachers and their vision of God is “perfect,” and “eternal”; preachers indeed, in their sermons and homilies, constantly quoted parts of the Bible that, taken by themselves, seemed to assert that our priests and their idea of God, their heaven, are eternal; and especially, should never “change.” But actually, our book here will be devoted to closer inspection of even these parts of the Bible, to find out what they actually said, in the context of what the Bible eventually said, overall.


Above for instance, note that Jesus said that “till heaven and earth pass away,” the laws of Christianity will never change; a statement that preachers always told us, meant that our traditional religious laws would never change; that they were as eternal as “heaven and earth”; they would last as long as “heaven and earth remain.” But here and now, we are now noting some background material on this, that changes its message totally, after all: after all, we are finding here, one day, our heaven is supposed to pass away. And therefore, a dot can pass from our holiest religious laws, it seems.


We will be finding here then, that what the Bible itself actually meant to say, is quite different from the way your preachers read the Bible; when we begin to understand individual quotes … in the context of the larger statement of the overall Bible. In particular, we will also especially be looking at seventy or a hundred other parts of the Bible; some other parts of the Bible that your priests did not fully understand or follow. Parts that finally made it clear that the Bible was not saying what our priests claimed, at all.


Regarding 1) the alleged “eternal”lity of heaven, for example. Which “dissolves” in fact, when we quoted above the dozens of parts of the Bible that talked about how heaven was to be destroyed. And regarding 2) the assertion that God and religion should never “change”? That dissolves too … as we begin to look at some parts of the Bible that tell us something different. The fact is, for example, we just found above that that things are often supposed to change, in our relation to, our understanding of, God.


To be sure, perhaps God himself does not change in some metaphysical sense. But we just found that a) surely, our perception of him can change; and is supposed to change, no doubt … as we “mature.” Furthermore, b) the way God appears to different peoples, can change from person to person, appearance to appearance; God appears to Moses for example in a “burning bush”; but later to Gentiles, as a man, Jesus. Then too, c) the things God does for different people and individuals here on earth, and heaven, can change; according to what is appropriate to each. To a thirsty man, God gives “water”; to a drowning man, he gives not more water, but dry land. Then too, remember, d) if things are supposed to stay the same, “so long as heaven and earth remain,” note that one “day,” after all, heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed. And e) then, we are to see a “second” and better coming of God.


Therefore, if God himself does not “change” in some metaphysical sense, then, still, our understanding of him, and the sides of himself he chooses to manifest to us, can change. And are supposed to change. According to the times or “age” or “world” we live in; our level of “matur”ity; and so forth.


And now, we should add that in other ways, too, 3) even God’s “eternal” things like mountains, in the Bible itself, seem to simply, frankly, change; drastically at times.


Consider for example God’s “eternal” mountains:



“Then the eternal mountains were scattered” (Hab. 3.6).



4) Most importantly – and amazingly – even the apparently everlasting “laws” of God can be – and already often have been – changed. First, aa) we just found that if religious “laws” remain as long as heaven and earth remain … then after all, one day, heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed.


Then too, we now add: bb) the apostle Paul for example, said even some of ancient “law”s of Moses and so forth, were already, even in ancient Christianity, found inadequate.


Note that, in fact, the New Testament itself, often attacked the “law” or Torah, of the Old Testament, Judeo-Christian God,



“The law has but a shadow of the good things” (Heb. 10.1).


“The law made nothing perfect” (Heb. 7.19).


“There is necessarily a change in the law as well” (Heb. 7.12).


“Christ is the end of the law” (Rom. 10.4).


“The perfect law, the law of liberty” (James 1.25).



Preachers like to try to quote parts of the Bible, that seem to suggest that not an “iota” of Old Testament sayings, laws, were changed by Jesus. Yet, though preachers do not like to make this known, most contemporary biblical scholarship notes that that cc) Jesus himself in fact, subtly changed many Jewish, Old Testament laws. When for example, Jesus for example began to say “it is written,” in your holy books, or “you have heard,” but “I say unto you,” this or that, Jesus was noting often, Old Testament laws … and then, was telling us that he himself was changing them.


Is it possible? Generations of preachers assured us that Christianity and the New Testament, were totally consistent with the Old Testament, and made no “changes” in the old words of God. But today, scholarship knows better. Specifically aaa) the Old Testament – indeed, one of the Ten Commandments – told us firmly to “Honor the Sabbath”; and the Old Testament added elsewhere, as part of this, that we should not perform any work at all, on the Sabbath; even gathering or preparing food … under pain of death (q.v.). And yet, the New Testament shows Jesus himself … worked on a Sabbath; healing others; while his disciples also picked corn or food on the Sabbath. Even though in the Old Testament, this is a sin, an offense, punishable by death. And this is not done casually; Jesus even offered a justification of his change; to justify this, Jesus claimed among other reasons, that it was all right to work on a Sabbath … everyone else did it:. Which of you, who has lost a sheep, asked Jesus, will not work to try to save it – even on a Sabbath if necessary?



“One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields; and as they made their way his disciples began to pluck ears of grain. And the Pharisees said to him, ‘Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?’ And he said to them, ‘Have you never read what David did, when he was in needs and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, when Abiathar was high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence…. And he said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath'” (Mark 2.25-27).



While Jesus noted that King David for example, also took food on the Sabbath. So that amazingly, Jesus began to change key laws of God; especially the law telling us to “honor the Sabbath,” and not do any “work” – even gathering food – on that day. Amazingly too, Jesus justified this change in the laws of God, in part, on the basis of the argument that in effect, everybody else did it.


(While furthermore, we might note, Christianity even changed the day of the week of the Sabbath too; the Jewish Sabbath began on Friday nite, and extended through to Saturday nite; while Christians changed even the day, to Sunday).


It seems shocking and impossible. But today scholars know that Christianity in fact, changed many laws of God. Not only did Christianity change many Old Testament laws regarding the Sabbath; next, bbb) Peter and others, changed some Old Testament food or dietary laws. Peter claiming to have received a “dream,” that heard a voice from heaven, that allowed believers to eat all kinds of food; a dream that was used to justify Christianity dropping many Old Testament, Jewish kosher laws on some foods. For dropping say, the prohibition on eating shellfish; and pork (Deut. 14.6-8); and meat without the “blood” drained from it.


So, though many preachers assured us that Jesus would not ever change an “iota” of the law of God, Christianity actually changed many laws from the Old Testament God; beginning with … laws relating to the Sabbath itself; then changing dietary laws. And then too, we might now add, ccc) Christianity dropped, changed the law of God, demanding that males be literally circumcised. (That is, having the foreskin of their penis removed, eight days after birth, in a “briss”).


While ddd) most importantly, we will see here, elements of Christianity attempted to change the old promises of miracles; to hint that old promises of physical miracles, were just metaphors or “figures” of speech, for “spiritual” things.


eee) Indeed, finally, Christianity changed even the holy books themselves; adding an entire New Testament, about Jesus, to the Old Testament.


While fff) even within Christianity, there were many, many famous, great historical differences and conflicts between different churches, or denominations. From the differences between individual churches in the Bible itself; to the historical schisms between the Roman Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox churches; and between Catholics, and Protestants too. As just one example of these differences and changes, consider the many changes to, even to the Bible itself, from one church or version of Christianity, to another. Specifically, the Catholics’ bible, is actually about seven whole books longer than the Protestant one. Since the Protestants, believed that about seven whole books of the earlier Bible were “apocryphal” – or simply, false; and the Protestants therefore, in most of their Bibles, simply ripped seven whole books out of the earlier Bible itself: the books of Tobit, Judith, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, Baruch, 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees.


ggg) It seems that Jesus changes the laws on divorce too.


So, against those many preachers who have said that “God does not change,” and who have used that phrase to resist changes in Christianity, we and Biblical scholars are now sayings that actually, if God himself is “eternal” in some sense, still, there have in point of fact already been many, many huge changes in even the holiest “laws” of God. Like the law that set up Sunday, or the Sabbath. (See also the quote where God says he deliberately gave people bad laws at times, in fact; as explanation for this).


hhh) Historically in fact, Christianity changed Judaism so much, that many Jews thought of it as a heresy, as being against God; as they executed Jesus as a heretic.


While iii) though Christians often asserted they were absolutely consistent with the Old Testament, and the Jews, eventually, even Christians came to think of themselves and their faith, as a different religion than Judaism; Christians thought of themselves as “Christians,” indeed, and not “Jews.”


6) So that, though God himself is eternal perhaps, still, there have already been many, many changes in the Judeo-Christian tradition. And then finally, many more changes are no doubt effectively authorized by the destruction the heavens, or heaven itself.


And of course, this is the great change: much changes, when we witness the destruction of the heavens … full of essentially “all” our holiest apostles and saints and angels. The heavens with all those in it, that have been the very source of authority of essentially all priests and churches. As we find that amazingly, shatteringly, they are in fact, not eternal at all. Instead, as the Bible says over and over, they are supposed to “fall,” and “dissolve.” Or as the Psalm said, “they will perish.” (And what remains and dwell “secure” by the way? “The children of thy servants.”) And of course, when all our holiest men and angels fall, or are found to have sinned and erred … then of course, this authorizes significant changes in our religion, indeed.



7) But the destruction of heaven itself is only the beginning of huge changes in religion; consider next, the Second Coming. Would Jesus himself appear on earth a second time … in a Second Coming and Christians remain unchanged? As if nothing had happened? Wouldn’t they at least, add a new book or two to their Bibles? To narrate the new things Jesus said?





Only God Himself Is “Eternal”



8) So where then, did the perception that religion, Christianity, is never supposed to “change,” come from? Preachers almost never say anything, without some apparent, ostensible Biblical support. So what then, was the Biblical root or foundation, of the common misperception, by preachers, that heaven itself, say, is “eternal” and unchanging? No doubt, a) it was in large part, phrases like the one above; where Jesus seemed to tell us that nothing would change in religious “law,” so long as heaven and earth survive; preachers neglecting to note the larger message of the Bible; which told us that heaven in fact would not survive.


Or then too, in large part we will find, it came from b) our preachers reading only selected parts of the Bible; and failing to perceive – or not being willing to frankly tell us about – the larger, overall message of the Bible. In particular, it came from preachers failing to honestly “face” the parts … which cast doubt on preachers and holy men themselves; something our holy men, understandably, did not want to reveal.


Relating to this finally, that misunderstanding and selective vision of preachers, their failure to perceive the actual, larger message of the Bible, probably came in large part, c) from the immense vanity and pride and “stiffneck”ness of our preachers. Preachers wanting to imagine that they themselves, or their churches, were already perfect, and sacred; and therefore never needed to learn anything new; or change; or progress.


d) But then too, the idea that heaven and many other things in Christianity are eternal, came from quotes like this:



“The eternal God is your dwelling place” (Deut. 33.27).



But this and other similar quotes, note, actually came from many sayings, that meant to tell us that, to be sure, not religion or heaven, but only God himself, is “eternal.”


God himself is eternal. And this finally examples any times the Bible seemed to say that “heaven” is “eternal”: in ancient times, God was so sacred … that often, no one was allowed to even utter his name in public. And so instead, many Jews and others used other words to stand for him. And significantly, many people used the word “heaven” as a code word, a polite euphemism, a “periphrasis,” for “God.” (This, according to most standard reference works. Like for example: Dr. L. L. Morris, “Heaven,” in The New Bible Dictionary, Eerdman’s Pub., Grand Rapids Mich., 1963/74; p. 510).


Therefore, when you read any reference at all to any “eternal” “heaven,” that just refers to God himself.


This becomes more and more clear, and in effect proven … as we hear the Bible being quite explicit on the status of heaven itself, elsewhere: heaven and earth will perish, it says; but “thou,” Lord, remain:



“The heavens are the work of thy hand. They will perish, but thou dost endure; they will all wear out like a garment. Thou changest them like raiment, and they pass away; but thou art the same, and thy years have no end. The children of thy servants shall dwell secure; their posterity shall be established before thee” (Ps. 102.26-28).



Here once again, God “change”s heavens at will, and causes them to “perish.” As it turns out therefore, if the Bible ever said “heaven” was “eternal,” that usually meant, just that God himself was eternal. Which indeed he is; as the Psalm above makes clear. (“Heaven” when it is said to be eternal, being used as an euphemism often therefore, for “God”; elements of Judaism like many religious systems avoiding mentioning God by name, out of reverence).


If Jesus seems to tell us to store our hopes in a heaven where there is no rust or “moth” and so forth … then either he means that a) we should trust in God himself, and no one else; or b) he is telling us that storing, trusting to heaven is better than earth; though Jesus knows that even heaven itself is not quite good enough; since Jesus well knew that heaven itself would dissolve. Perhaps indeed then, Jesus meant that we should trust only in a God that is not only “fill”ing “heaven and earth,” but that is also “above all heavens.”


In any case, any apparent reference to any “eternal” heaven therefore, is contradicted by dozens of clearly contrary references in the Bible itself. This means that there is actually, not much at all, that is truly permanent and unchanging in religion or Christianity; perhaps nothing but God himself. While as for even heaven itself? Heaven and “all” in it? (Isa. 34.4). They are “to perish.” As we are seeing here. In order for us to see another, second and better heaven.


Aside then, from the many very large changes Christianity has already made from Judaism, from the Old Testament … how much can and will change, next, in Christianity? If for example, among other changes, our Heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed? In fact, of course, if heaven itself is to be destroyed, then HUGE changes are not only possible in Christianity, but are inevitable.


Indeed, we will see, it is about time to now pass through the more complete destruction of our old heaven; and to formalize many tentative changes that began to appear, long ago.


Some might think, that they themselves are true Christians. And have already passed through all necessary destructions, fires. So that they already have, the promised “unshakable kingdom.” Based on such passages, as this one:



“How much less will we escape if we reject the one who warns from heaven! At that time his voice shook the earth; but now he has promised, ‘Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heaven.’ This phrase, ‘Yet once more,’ indicates the removal of what is shaken – that is, created things – so that what cannot be shaken may remain. [Eternal forms?] Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us give thinks, by which we offer to God an acceptable worship with reverence and awe; for indeed our God is a consuming fire” (Heb. 12.25-29 NRSV).



This is a passage from Hebrews; which is often credited to Paul, but other times, not; due to its different style and content from other Pauline letters. Including its great and unique concern with establishing a non-Jewish, Christian priesthood (from Melchisedek; as opposed to Apostles, apostolic succession?); to assert that a mere human “man,” might become an Christian authority.


Our interest here though is that the text is carefully turning – some like Peter, who at times argued with Paul, might say, “twist”ing – the meaning of all these warnings about heaven itself being destroyed. First a) it says heaven is to be “shaken”; though original texts had said “destroyed,” not merely “shaken.”


Still though b) Hebrews also in any case confirmed that God could still modify heaven, even as the date of authorship of Hebrews. And c) if anything at all does remain even after heaven “dissolves” – as others said – then after all, again, there is no unambiguous statement here, that this has already happened, as of the moment of this writing.


d) Many have said historically, that their own church, was already the promised, ideal eternal kingdom. But God tells us to see which prophesies are true, by looking to see what “comes to pass” in actual history; and in actual history, we found that no church or kingdom, in actual practice, was ever quite “full”y as good as the “kingdom” that had been promised: a place where there was no more pain, no more crying, where the “wolf” lies down with “sheep,” etc. (Rev. 21; Isa. 65-6; etc.). So that e) if there is a perfect and eternal kingdom already out there, it does not seem to be on earth. Or no one knows f) where it is; or which one of many existing earthly kingdoms, it is. Even in the Vatican, there were attempted assassinations, shootings, and “pain,” as recently as the 1980s. Indeed therefore, “we who are receiving the unshakable kingdom” (12.28 NAB), are not specified; or are not even nailed down as anything more than a hypothetical.


g) Indeed, given all these and more evident sins and failures of all existing “eternal” kingdoms and “perfect” churches, given sins in all kingdoms, most of Christianity rightly supposes that the great Apocalypse, the “full” shake-up – or dissolving – of heaven and earth, still remains. As something left to be accomplished as of this date, 2007 AD. (Or perhaps, we have a kingdom of eternal change in effect?).


Or finally h) in any case, the only thing we find to be permanent here, is nothing in heaven itself; no angels, apostles, or their doctrines; nothing except … God himself. God as he exists … above and beyond and apart from, all our writings, ideas, sayings, quotations, about him. While i) as for everything else? Even the book of Hebrews – which appears at times, to champion a Christian priesthood (and church?) as all but “unshakable” – finally agrees to hint, however, in the end, that our God is capable of destruction of anything, at any time:



“For our God is a consuming fire” (Heb. 12.29).



Therefore, there is nothing even here, that firmly contradicts the dozens of other parts of the Bible, that firmly declared after all, that one day, God would destroy heaven itself; and that spoke often as if that demolition had not yet fully occurred, in the time of say, Peter. (And Paul?). Peter speaking clearly as if the destruction had not taken place in his own time, but was still due and pending.


j) In any case, if God did such things in the past, of course he could do them in the future too.


And there is every “sign,” from what we see around us, that he did not complete the whole Apocalyptic process – the demolition of heaven; the “full” revelation or realization of a perfect Second Coming, God, on earth. Therefore, we can only conclude that if God himself is eternal, and those who base themselves on him will share some of that eternality, still, we cannot be sure who really followed the right idea of God or Christ, till Judgement Day; while as for heaven itself, it is fated to fall, still.




Which Heaven? & When?



When does the destruction of heaven happen, therefore?


9) So, when indeed, does the Destruction of Heaven take place? Fearful of any change in their Religion, many preachers might indeed try to claim, that any “heaven” that is destroyed, is a) some
Old Testament or b) pagan “heaven.”


Indeed, it might seem at times, that the Bible spoke at times about an earlier heaven, in an earlier time only. In sections like this one:



All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. All their host shall fall, as leaves fall from the vine, like leaves falling from the fig tree. For my sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; behold, it descends for judgement upon Edom” (Isa. 34.4-5; cf. also less reliable testimony on angels, saints in heaven, in Job, by unreliable narrators other than Job).


“Though they climb up to heaven, from there I will bring them down” (Amos 9.2).



Some might say that here and elsewhere, the destruction of heaven is about something that happened in the past. Possibly about the destruction of various pagan heavens, by Judaism. Yet to be sure, in the above passage for example, while it seems that a) God was attacking things in the time of an attack on “Edom” – which some might say is old history – at the same time, it is narrated in such a way that b) the destruction of heaven is spoken as something that “shall” or will happen, some time after this passage was written.


c) Indeed, even if similar destructions have happened in the past, that just means that such things are likely for the future too; indeed, preachers normally read the Bible in general, as if its accounts of things in the past, are relevant to us today … because things similar to what happened in the past, normally, can be warnings about similar events in our time, and later. Indeed, why would preachers quote the Bible at all … if their major assumption, was not that the things that happened in the past, might be relevant to our own times as well?


d) Further, like many things scholars now note in the Apocalypse, or things relating to the “kingdom,” there were different, already/not yet signals in the Bible; hints that it had aa) already been partially accomplished, combined with clear signs that bb) not yet been fully fulfilled. So that as we will see, cc) most churches regard such end times things, as having begun, and having been in some sense “fulfilled” with Jesus; but not completed in every respect in the first coming; and as continuing to our time, and then the Second Coming, for complete, or further, fulfillment. (The current, c. 2000 AD English language Catholic Church catechism for example, suggests such End Times things began in the time of the Pentecost; and are continuing today).


e) Indeed, Peter for example, often spoke of the destruction of heaven, as aa) being apparently, most yet to come, some time after he himself. And bb) furthermore, he spoke of the destruction as being of his own “present” heaven. Which would mean therefore, that it was the Judeo-Christian heaven that is to be destroyed.


Peter indeed, spoke not of the demolition of the “heaven” of the “Jews”; but his own “present” – and therefore, Christian – heavens:



“By the same word the present heavens … have been reserved for fire….” (says Peter, in 2 Peter 3.7, NRSV).



And it is clear that Peter assumed, in the passage below, that the destruction of heaven had not yet happened in his own time; in the time of the New Testament. But was to wait for the “day” of judgement:



“The world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgement and destruction….” (2 Peter 3.7 RSV; italics, mine).



So therefore, the destruction of heaven, is not something completed in the past. And related to this, it is not some past, pagan heaven. But rather instead, it is our own Judeo-Christian heaven, the heaven that existed over the head of the founder of the Church, over Peter himself, that is supposed to be destroyed.


f) Similar things were spoken of – a need for changes in the “present” heaven – not just by Peter, but also by Paul too:



“For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places…. Stand therefore, and fasten the belt of truth around your waist…. Take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit” (Eph. 6.12-17 NRSV).



g) John too spoke of it. John here note, used past tense … but to speak of a past … vision; a vision of a future destruction, yet to come. John envisioning in Revelation and elsewhere, a future destruction, that was to come after the Bible was completed, c. 90-110-382-1517 AD etc.. In his vision or revelation or prophesy for times to come after John himself, John pictures the following:



“And another portent appeared in heaven; behold a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns…. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth” (Rev. 12.3-4).


“The stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree shed its winder fruit when shaken by a gale” (Rev. 6.13).


(Cf. the “peg” that is fastened in a high place, to fall; Isa. 22).



God himself, therefore, might be eternal; but as for heaven and “all” those commonly presumed to be in it? All the saints and apostles and holy men? “They will perish.” While indeed, as for the heavens themselves:



“The heavens will vanish like smoke” (Isa. 51.6).



And when does this happen? Many preachers seem to think that the fall of heaven, referred to some past, pagan heavens. But in general, warnings of past events are left in the Bible, as warnings for us all, about future events too. While indeed, Peter and Paul and John made it clear enough, that it was not just about past, pagan heavens disappearing; their own “present” – and therefore, Judeo-Christian – heaven (and for that matter, the “household of God”), are to be submitted to “fire,” and so forth. Indeed, most of the Bible spoke of the destruction of heaven as something not yet quite fully realized, by the time the New Testament was completed.


h) While indeed, most of ordinary popular Christianity, if it is aware of the Destruction of Heaven at all, thinks of it as part of the Apocalypse and the Second Coming; which are widely regarded by everyday Christians, as not yet completed.


i) So when is the destruction of heaven? Some ministers may try to say that “no one knows the exact time of the destruction. And indeed, no one knows the exact time. Yet in fact, one “day” we are supposed to see “signs” of it (when we see the “olive tree” is unfruitful for example)… and then we know that it is immanent. And we will be seeing many signs of unfruitfulness in our religion, here. (Particularly, its lack of miracles).


j) To try to avoid facing this, many seem to think that the Destruction of Heaven cannot be happening in part, right now; and is still an eternally future event. That it only happens, when a very particular event occurs; a particular moment that is thought not yet to have occurred. A moment when there is perceived to be “corruption” in heaven itself, and Satan and his angels rebel, “war” against God:



“Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world – he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down to the earth. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, ‘Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down…. But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you…'” (Rev. 12.7-10 …12).



When we speak of an ongoing destruction of heaven, happening in part here and now today, many will try to avoid that; and say “No one knows the exact time.” Or cite the above, with the implication that the destruction refers to, happens only after, a particular moment of rebellion, in heaven.


Yet to be sure, one “day” we are supposed to see many “signs” that lead to it. And indeed we will later find here, that, the necessary conditions for the collapse of heaven, have already been fulfilled. Specifically aaa) as for the rebellion of the “angels,” we will see that indeed, the Bible itself was already noting corruption, evil, rebellion, in angels, even long ago; even in the “angel of the church” (Rev. 2-3; see our writing on “Angels” and so forth). Indeed, Satan himself was an angel – and he rebelled against God long ago, it is said. (See our writing on the sins of angels). While furthermore, here we will here be noting, later, longstanding or even continuous corruption in nearly “all” holy men and angels (excepting only Michael, some say?). While later, bbb) especially, we will use science to show the falsity of holy men’s and angels,’ promises, of miracles.


So that finally, there is no barrier to saying that … the rebellion of the “angels,” and the “corruption” of heaven, began long ago; and the destruction of heaven itself is therefore, due and pending, today. These necessary preconditions for its demolition, having been fulfilled.


k) Some preachers, eager to avoid facing such events, may try to recall that Jesus spoke of say, at least the arriving of some End Time events – like the arrival of the full “kingdom” – as coming “soon,” “at hand”; perhaps implying that like the coming of the kingdom, the destruction of heaven was going to happen “soon” after Jesus, too. So that it should have happened two thousand years ago. But remember that indeed, aa) most things in the Apocalyptic End are today regarded as having been realized only partially, or “already/not yet” as scholars say. And bb) indeed, perhaps the Apocalyptic destruction of heaven is not specifically related to the very same time as the coming “kingdom” specifically. Or cc) note that as regards the coming of the “kingdom” “soon” in any case, after Jesus, Peter began to say that “soon” might mean thousands of years. So that such things did not necessarily happen in the time of Jesus, or very soon thereafter.


And cc) indeed, most Christians rightly feel that though Jesus “fulfilled” many prophesies, in many ways, still yet another “second” coming will be required, before all the prophesies and promises are fully realized.


So that the destruction of heaven was not quite completed in the past.


l) Indeed the Catholic’s “Catechism” supposes that the end times began at Pentecost … and are continuing, even now.




Learning to Face This:

Because God Himself Survives, Etc.



The destruction of heaven therefore, was not just of some past pagan or Jewish heaven; and it was not fully completed in the past; and so it can begin or continue, even, today. Even, right now.


10) Such extreme changes in their religion, in Christianity (we will speak of traditional Christianity here, as a “religion”) will no doubt, be hard for many conservatives, traditionalists, to face or bear. But we should now note that, however, there is a way, even a command, for Christians to learn to “face” this. First, Christians need to know that a) similar changes have happened in the past. And mankind survived them.


Especially too, Christians should find the courage and conviction to face this, on finding that b) all this demolition of many traditional religious ideas, is actually authorized in the Bible itself; all “promis”ed, “prophesied,” foretold, fore-ordained, commanded, by God himself. So that in an amazing way, our religion, Christianity, is not being denied or canceled even by the destruction of its heaven itself; the Bible after all, predicted and foretold this. So that amazingly, our old religion is not being found totally false … but is being fulfilled, realized.


No doubt though, in spite of the full authorization of the Bible itself, God himself, the destruction of our own Judeo-Christian heaven, will be extremely hard for many Christians. And so, finally, we might try to help people to be able to face this, on showing them that c) this is after all, probably today, just a “spiritual” or “intellectual” destruction; not physical destruction. Generally speaking, Christians avoid physical destruction; its “swords” are “arguments” said Paul. And we might say that heaven itself is in large part, an idealized place; an idea or spirit. And so, what is being destroyed here, in the destruction of “heaven,” are ideas, false spirits … not material things. Our “swords are arguments.” (As we will make clear later); our targets are false “spiritual” forces in heaven:



“For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places…. Stand therefore, and fasten the belt of truth around your waist…. Take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit ” (Eph. 6.12-17 NRSV).



No doubt, even the discovery of evils, even in the “spirit”s in heaven itself, will be greatly disturbing to Christians. And yet after all, this is what the Bible says. And furthermore, remember, there is not necessarily any real material destruction here. Until it comes to earth, “heaven” is a largely spiritual place; and the destruction of heaven, is as easy as … disproving ideas; or changing your mind or spirit.


Especially, d) believers should get strength to face such real, even Apocalyptic change in their faith … on being told that this is consistent with the Bible itself. And specifically, that, note, God himself survives the destruction of heaven. Or so it definitely seems:



“The heavens are the work of thy hand. They will perish, but thou dost endure…. Thou art the same, and thy years have no end” (Ps. 102.25 ff).



And the true children – or descendants – survive too:



“The children of thy servants shall dwell secure; their posterity shall be established before thee” (Ps. 102.25-28).



So there is, therefore, more than one note of hope and continuity with our old faith here: especially, even if our heaven itself is demolished, God himself survives.


How, by the way, can God survive the destruction of heaven itself? Some might simply say that God can do anything; so he can do this. But more specifically, in part it is because, as it is written, God is not only in heaven. Indeed, heaven is only part of God’s “dwelling place,” (1 Kings. 8.27-39). Specifically, God is a) not only in heaven; and b) “in” the earth too; but c) also “above,” “higher” than, all heavens:


“Is … God high in the heavens?” (Job 22.12).


“Higher than heaven” (Job 11.8).


“Heaven … cannot contain him?” (2 Chron. 2.6).


“Heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you” (2 Chron. 6.18 NRSV).


“His glory above the heavens” (Ps. 113.4).


“Who looks down upon the heavens and the earth?” (Ps. 113.6).


“Do I not fill heaven and earth? says of the LORD” (Jer. 23.24).


“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain thee; how much less this house…. The place of which thou hast said, ‘My name shall be there… ‘” (1 Kings 8.27-29; cf. churches, the households of God).


“No man has ascended into heaven but he” (John 3.13).


“Far above all the heavens, so that he might fill all things” (Eph. 4.10; see OT, n.p).


“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us…?'” (Deut. 30. 30.11-12).


“Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They will perish, but thou dost endure” (Ps. 102. 25).



And so it is: when we begin to see sins in our holiest preachers and apostles, and their doctrines – like their idea of heaven as “eternal” for example – it seems as if everything in Christianity collapses. But first of all, actually, God himself survives. So that amazingly, the core of Judeo-Christianity … is still there.


e) But especially, finally, we should all find the courage to at last face great sins, and changes, in our ancient religious traditions … on being told that after all, even as our traditional heaven is collapsing … related to the survival of God through all this, as our old heaven is being destroyed, we are also going to be treated to a aa) “second,” bb) “full”er, more cc) “mature” vision – indeed a dd) Second Coming it is called – of God.


Believers therefore, should find the courage to accept and face even the destruction of heaven itself; on knowing that all this is approved of in the Bible itself; and on discovering that all this is to the good. Related to the survival of God through all this, believers should at last find the courage to “face” severe criticisms of their traditional faith … on remembering that after all, the darkest hour is just before dawn. On finding that in fact, the Bible told us that even as things seem blackest, then God, good, after all, return. In the Second Coming. Even as our old heaven is collapsing, even as the Apocalyptic end times are upon us, in that same moment, the Bible told us, God is after all, coming to earth again.


In fact, if should be easier to face because of this: when we here and now begin to see this, when we see God not just “in heaven,” but also on “earth” again, then here and now we are seeing at least a preview – and perhaps the real substance? – of another prophesy, being here and now partially fulfilled: the destruction of heaven … but then, as part of that, we get the return of God, to earth:



“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘See, the home of God is among mortals.'” (Rev. 21.1-3 NRSV). “He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them” (Rev. 21.3 RSV).



So Christians and others should find the courage to at last, not try to rationalize or excuse failures in their religious traditions, their heaven; to learn to simply “face” and accept, say, the criticisms of science; on remembering that after all, even as our traditional heaven is being demolished, a second and better vision, a Second Coming of God, is being revealed.


And the Second Coming of course, is no small thing.


As we here and now begin to see “heaven” dissolve, and see God as inhering in science, and the things of this material earth, in fact we are beginning to see prophesy fulfilled: God is returning to earth, now. We see God among mortals, again. As we have not seen since the first coming of Jesus.


g) Then too, related to all this, we will find, there is one more reason people should accept the destruction of heaven at last: as it turns out, this not only begins to partially fulfill prophesy, and open the way to the foretold second and better vision of God; as part of that, by the end of our books here, as our old heaven is dissolved, it is being dissolved after all, as we will find, by the science of God. And so we will get at last, a Christianity consistent with, merging with, science. Which means the two divided halves of mankind, are coming together at last; giving us a unified vision of life and God and Good at last. A development which should in fact, give us much greater powers; enough to produce a “kingdom” in fact.


h) Indeed, the Apocalyptic solution – the destruction of heaven; the envisioning of God as being on earth again – resolves many intellectual, mental, spiritual problems. Even as it dissolves the earlier vision of a God of “miracles” and “spirituality,” this event realizes a vision of God, good, religion, as in and among, the things of this material earth.

So that we will not just mentally see prophesy fulfilled: a) the son of “God,” the son of “Man”; God among “mortals.” But b) we will also see the end, the resolution, of some old religious problems and errors: the end of dualism, for example.


In the past, most of humanity, saw the universe, dualistically. As being broken into two radically separated and irreconcilable halves: heaven and earth; “religion” and “science”; word vs. world. For that matter, by most people, religion and their real life on earth – were seen by most people, as being all too separate. Or impossible to link or reconcile. And many often could only conceive of these two, also, as if they were opposites; good and evil. So the two halves of man’s existence were radically, schizophrenically, separated or split. But with the vision of God as being on earth again, we see such problems resolved.


When we see God not just in “heaven” and “spirit,” but here, on this material earth, then not only is this a wonderful second coming for Christian believers; intellectuals should see among other things, the end of some intellectual problems, like dualism. As we begin to see God and earth merge, God coming down to earth (as in Rev. 21, above), we also see the end of various forms of dualism: of Gnostic, Manichean Christian (Augustinian?) spirit/matter, heaven/earth, word/world, religion/science dualism. Since the new heaven, and God, return to, after all, merge with, this material earth.


And how does all this happen? We will find that what accomplishes all this – the destruction of heaven; the re-merging of God and earth – happens, in large part, thanks to the science of God. Which is way of looking at the universe, that combines religion and science both; and therefore finds the path by which dualism is ended; or in religious terms, finds, furthers the path, by which God returns to earth again. As we will find in our writings on Science, the Science of God links religious things to material things here on this earth; in a better way than has ever been done before. And therefore it compliments, extends, cures, our churches; which often claimed to be God come to earth, but which so often failed at that.


As it turns out, as we will see later, the Bible itself advocated science.
And if and when we discover that, we find at last the missing link or path, between heaven, and earth. Which in fact, begins to at last, resolve longstanding intellectual conflicts; and to help God come to earth again. To help us realize real prosperity here on earth. Exactly as foretold. So that finally we will see, it is a kind of science that makes possible the Second Coming. And the good on earth, the “prosperity,” that is supposed to produce.


So that finally, there are many reasons to learn to face and accept, the Destruction of Heaven. It not only realizes prophesy; it also resolves many intellectual/spiritual problems, like the split mind of dualism; which split the minds of all of humanity, in half. And as those things are taken care of, then … indeed, mankind should have a “full” enough experience or sense of things, see enough missing links, to put it all together at last; and see how to realize heaven, on earth.


As we will see.


And indeed of course, history has found that the two great and productive traditions in history, have been our religions … and our practical knowledge and science. But the problem has been that these two parts of our knowledge and being, have been at war; have seemed impossible to reconcile. Yet therefore, we should expect that when at last peace is made between these two halves of our nature, and these two halves begin to work smoothly together, rather than against each other as “enem”ies, then … prosperity should progress very rapidly. Indeed, as “God” comes to “earth,” we should have at last the sense of things adequate to produce the foretold “kingdom” of God and good, here on this material earth, at last.


As we will see.


Therefore there are indeed, many, many reasons for Christians and others to learn to face, the destruction of heaven; particularly keeping in mind that this can lead to the fulfillment of prophesy; and to the prosperity of all of mankind.





So Where Did the Idea of an

Unchanging Church or Christianity, And

“Eternal” Heaven, Or Eternal “Kingdoms,”

Come From?

Aside From

“Heaven” as an Euphemism for God?

See Plato; Egypt




Where did the idea of heaven as “eternal” come from? Apart from a misunderstanding of the word “heaven,” when used as a stand-in for “God”? The fact is, much of Jewish tradition did not support an eternal heaven, or life in it (see “afterlife,” and “heaven,” in Ox. Comp. to the Bible).


1) Judaism did not really stress an afterlife in heaven that much; much of (especially pre-exilic) Judaism believed only in a) the shadowy “Sheol.” A sort of half afterlife, underground. Or perhaps, a b) “world to come,” at most. Which may not have been “heaven,” but – since it was called the “world” to come – might merely have been our own world, revived and improved, in some later time.


Much of Judaism, of the Old Testament therefore, did not really stress heaven as a place where we might go after death. So where did the Christian concentration on “heaven” – and especially the misperception that heaven is “eternal” – come from? In part, 2) the misunderstanding that the Judeo-Christian heaven is eternal, is from the use of “heaven” as a stand-in code word for God himself. As noted above.


Or then too, 3) it is probably partially from other religions than Judaism; from say Egyptian ideas (of the “Ka” or “Ba” traveling to an afterlife, etc.? See Nat. Geographic article).


Or especially, 4) like the great concentration on “heaven,” and belief in its eternality, came from a mildly (not fully?) “Hellenistic” – or Greco-Roman – influence in Christianity; especially, specifically, from Plato. To many people, the heavens, the stars, appear to be beautiful, and rather stable; longlasting; regular. For this and other reasons, many religions and philosophies – and Plato – often considered “the heavens” to be where we might conventionally say eternal truths live; a “place” were we might picture eternal truths (like logical and mathematical – and religious) truths, residing.


The idea of an “eternal” heaven therefore, is from many cultures; but probably was added to Judaism; coming with the New Testament, especially, from Greco-Roman civilization. Which dominated in fact, Jesus’ life, his time, his “world.” The fact is, a) it is probably in large part, from the Romans and other followers of Greek culture; who occupied Jerusalem, at the time of Jesus’ ministry.


Could Christianity, the New Testament (and the inter-testamental, apocryphal books) been heavily influenced, and in part formed, by Greek and Roman influences in Judaism? To be sure, b) the Bible at times seems to try to not allow any Greek, Roman, or other “Gentile” or “nation”al or non-Jewish influence, on Judaism; influence from sources it might seem, other than its own “God.” Along these lines, the New Testament at times speaks of, and seems to some to at least faintly disapprove, of a group called “Hellenizers” or extreme Hellenists; probably meaning Jews and others encouraging Greco-Roman influence in Jewish affairs and religion. And we know that historically, orthodox Jews objected to “Samaritans” … or half Jews that allowed other cultural influences into their temples and so forth. While indeed, many Jews objected to Roman occupation of Israel; and to a leadership that – with the Herods and so forth – were not pure Jews, or made many compromises with Greco-Roman and other culture.


Yet while many Jews clearly wanted to preserve the purity of their culture, still, c) on the other hand, we know that many Jews did in fact compromise with other cultures around them; that many educated Jews learned to read and write in Greek for example. While d) the New Testament often spoke well of the “Greeks,” (like Stephen?); and e) at times, the New Testament even said good things about some Romans (like the centurions); who also often wrote in Greek. Then too, f) most the first early New Testaments we have were written in Greek in fact; and g) indeed, the very name “Jesus” is a Greek variation of a Hebrew name (Joshua). While h) when Jesus quoted the Old Testament, scholars found he quoted from the Greek translation of it, the “Septuagint,” not the Hebrew version. Then too, i) Jesus was from northern kingdoms; Judah; Galilee. Close to Caesarea. Parts of Jewish territory, often somewhat Samaritan; or only half-Jewish; and parts close to major Greek and Roman settlements. Indeed, when Jesus was accused of having a demon, and being a Samaritan, Jesus denied having a demon … but did not say anything at that time, about being a Samaritan or not.


So that we should not be surprised to see strong Greco-Roman influence in the New Testament; indeed we might even see Christianity historically, as being essentially, what Historians might call “Hellenistic Judaism”; being yet another local culture, overwritten and transformed by Greco-Roman influences, after Alexander the Great took over many regions around the Mediterranean. And then again, as Greek-influenced Rome did the same. Indeed, many educated Jews spoke or wrote Greek, in the time of Jesus; most notably say, Philo of Alexandria Egypt. While j) Philo we note here, would have been just old enough – at about 20 years older than Jesus or so? – to have tutored the child Jesus, when Jesus was in Egypt after the flight from Herod.


k) To be sure, Jesus himself was at times cold to Samaritans; but other times allowed that even such “dogs” might be allowed to eat crumbs from the table of Jews.


l) Then too of course, even more than Jesus, Paul for example, showed strong signs of allowing much Greco-Roman influence to form early Christianity, out of traditional Judaism. Paul aa) they say, probably wrote Greek; bb) Paul saying good things about Greeks and Gentiles; cc) Paul actually claimed in the Bible to be a Roman citizen; dd) Paul taking assistants who were Greeks, like Stephen?; ee) Paul being accused indeed of allowing Greeks into Jewish temples.


And finally in fact, ff) we find quotes, the vocabulary and concepts of Plato’s Theory of Forms in Paul. Influencing specifically, the idea of “heaven.” Where Greco-Roman or “Hellenistic” influence in creating Christianity out of Judaism, therefore seems quite likely … and finally, certain. Specifically, we note here in Paul, many concepts, words from Plato; especially Plato’s famous Theory of Forms. Plato’s famous theory being that there ideal eternal truths, models, “forms,”
“patterns” for all of life; one reading of Plato suggesting it seems, moreover, that these patterns, truths, resided in “heaven.” Like the gods.


Indeed, in Paul – to whom more than half the books of the New Testament are often credited; 14 of its 27 books – is found a vocabulary, on heaven and immortality, that does not seem very Jewish at all; but rather perfectly reflects Plato’s concepts. Paul clearly borrowing not from Jewish or Old Testament tradition, but from Greek culture, and especially Plato’s Theory of Forms. As Paul speaks of “perfect” “forms” or models, in “heaven”; of which things here on earth are only imperfect
“shadows” or “copies” in “heaven” (Heb. 8.5, “a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary“; “a better country, that is, a heavenly one” Heb. 11.16; “the heavenly Jerusalem” Heb. 12.22; “who has blessed us … in the heavenly places” Eph. 1.3). The idea is from Plato: it was that things here on earth, are just imperfect, perishable copies or shadows, of eternal truths, forms, patterns, archetypes, models or “paradigms,” in heaven; and imperfect as things here on earth are, things here on earth therefore, from internal flaws – as Paul said – “perish” or die (Mat. 8.24, John 6.27, 10.28; 1 Corin. 1.18, 2 Corin. 4.3; 2 Th. 2.10; Heb. 1.11).


So where did the whole Christian idea of an idea pattern or model for our behavior, residing in an “eternal” “heaven” come from? In large part, it seems clear that it came from Greco-Roman culture; as much as from Jewish culture. Paul – who read Greek, it seems; who was a Roman citizen – when he was taken as talking about immortality or an afterlife in an eternal heaven, was copying not even so much from Jewish tradition, but even just as much or more, from Greco-Roman thought; and especially, Paul formed much of Christianity, out of Judaism, by adding to Judaism, many Greco-Roman ideas; especially hints of an eternal heaven, from Plato’s Theory of Forms. Though to be sure we will find, even there, though Paul borrowed from the Greeks the idea of some kind of eternal life in heaven, Paul could only hint at such Greek things; and not firmly advocate them. a) Paul only used Plato’s vocabulary … b) without explicitly mentioning Plato. This was probably done, c) so that Christianity could claim to be purely Jewish; with no element of Greek thought in it. Even though at times Paul finally acknowledged he “owed” things to both Jews and Gentiles and Greeks, the New Testament never openly, explicitly, endorses Plato. Nor d) finally, therefore, does it ever finally, fully endorse an “eternal life” in heaven, in some Platonic model, either.


In any case, e) even if Plato spoke of eternal forms in heaven, Plato himself, probably never outlined any clear idea, of how we ourselves, might somehow join those eternal forms in heaven. So that finally, hints there might indirectly be in the New Testament of an eternal heaven, were extremely vague and remote; the Platonic vocabulary at best merely hinting at such things. While f) indeed finally, Paul stipulated that many of these ideas – of a resurrection or afterlife into heaven, etc. – were vague, a “mystery,” in the “clouds,” (1 Thess. 4.17) and so forth; “clouds” being a common metaphor, to this very day, for vague, misty, uncertain, veiled things.


So that finally, though there are many hints at, say, a Platonic eternal heaven here, finally, nothing is ever nailed down. And all those sermons that claimed an eternal heaven, go significantly beyond Biblical evidence.


Indeed, g) neither these nor any other Greco-Roman ideas could be very openly, fully expressed or endorsed, in the New Testament; because after all, these ideas came in large part, from Greek and other Middle Eastern and other traditions; that traditional, conservative Judaism resisted. As being not Jewish, or not from their God.


And Greeks and Romans were not always popular with strict Jews. At the time of Jesus in fact, Jerusalem was occupied by, under the foot of, Greco-Roman civilization; it had a Roman governor, Pontuis Pilate; and a half-Jewish Roman collaborator king, Herod. Greco-Roman civilization was for these and other reasons, often seen as the enemy of Jews. And so very, very Greek-influenced Jews and their ideas, were regarded by many Jews of the time, history says, as half-breed “Samaritans,” or even traitors; while the New Testament mentions – and does not strong approve of – “Hellenizers.” Nor finally, could the New Testament therefore ever fully, openly endorse Greek, Platonic theory; and its eternal heaven. Rather, it could only distantly allude to it. And leave it to over-eager preachers – eager for some lure to attract people to themselves – to begin promising an “eternal” heaven that is not actually, finally, really, firmly found in the Bible, itself.


To be sure, in spite of all that, there were many Jews who intermarried with Gentiles, or who worked with – and were influenced by – Greeks and Romans and so forth. And indeed finally, there are many, many indications that Christianity itself, its “New Testament,” is basically formed out of the intermixture of traditional Jewish thought, with strong Greek and Roman influence. But finally, hints of the influence of say, the Greco-Roman, specifically Platonic idea; of ideal patterns in an eternal heaven, are definitely found in the New Testament; but are never firmly endorsed. Or carried to the point that there is any real promise of people living on in eternal heaven; however popular that idea has been among preachers, as an enticement for people to enter Christianity.


To be sure, there was some subtle Greco-Roman influence in Christianity (especially the inter-testamental works). Indeed, Christianity can best be regarded historically, as a more modern, mildly (if not fully) “Hellenistic” or Greco-Roman influenced, version of Judaism. As a form of Judaism … after being updated by Jews who had been educated in part in Egypt (where Jesus lived as a child) – and in Rome, and Greece.


Indeed, Christianity is essentially Judaism … educated by Greco-Roman language and culture. Including faint influences from Plato; and other traditions like the Greek “Mystery Religions” like the Elusinian mysteries, tales of Persephone; and elements of Mithras, and so forth; and by a Roman interest in the “pater familias,” or Father of the family; as well as elements of, say, Roman Stoicism (in its embrace of the “suffering servant”). Christianity borrowing all of this and more from Greco-Roman culture. And yet however, h) such ideas were already vague, even in Plato himself; while they became vaguer, more “mysterious” and “cloudier” still, in the distant New Testament allusions to them, as we just noted above. So that Platonic hints of belief in an afterlife, in an eternal heaven – especially, for humans – are quite vague, and not firmly promised at all.


i) Indeed, to this very day, when you ask a preacher if there is a heaven, or if you go to it, the preacher is often very vague too; if he knows of parts of this.


j) Just how resistant was real, pure Jewish culture, to such Greek concepts? We noted above, to note one example, that Jews often hated Greeks or Romans, as “Gentiles,” “pigs,” and so forth. And that many Jews (Sadducees etc.) believed primarily only in Sheol; Ecclesiastes suggested that no one knew if there was any afterlife other than Sheol; while indeed, in any case, if any Jews believed in a resurrection say, or fuller afterlife, it was the “Pharisees” (as Paul noted); while Jesus’ Christianity, strongly reacted against the Pharisees.


The Jews themselves therefore, did not really lay such a great stress on “heaven.” k) Perhaps God lived in heaven; but he was also said to live in “all things,” in heaven “and earth.”


While l) there was not much, in pre-exilic times (said the Oxford Companion articles on Afterlife, Heaven), about humans going up to heaven; Enoch (Gen. 5.24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2.11) perhaps; or then later, Jesus (see Wayne Pitard, “Afterlife,” Ox. Comp. to the Bible, p. 15). But even here, this was at times described going up in a “whirlwind” in the case of Elijah; while then too, going to heaven might merely be a metaphor for simply, dying. While m) at times, the Bible said, regarding Jesus, that no one ever went up to heaven but he:



“No one has ascended into heaven but he” (John 3.13).



So that finally, this tradition of humans living on in heaven, probably came mostly (if not completely) from traditions outside of the strict Hebrew/Jewish tradition; especially from Plato; from the Greeks. n) But we might add, not only from the Greeks, of course; if you read old stone writings and so forth, you will find that many ancient kings, of many various kingdoms, liked to speak of the “heavens”; and to proclaim their heavens – and for that matter, their own reigns, their kingdoms and dynasties – “eternal.” A concept which was not only from many cultures other than Jewish … but also a common claim that was commonly found, as History progressed, to be untrue. As we read secular history, we find one kingdom after another proclaimed as “eternal” … only to collapse a short time later. (See H.L. Mencken’s article on this). And indeed the Bible occasionally noted problems with other eternal kingdoms, around it; and problems with creating an eternally “peace”ful kingdom of its own, as well.


No doubt, therefore, o) many common sermons in our own era, picture heaven as the centerpiece of Christianity; and as “eternal” too. But finally in fact, we will have just seen that those sermons, which dominated Christianity for two thousand years … are not really justified by the Bible itself.


Indeed, there are many, many problems, sins in any preacher trying to claim or imply, that an eternal heaven, really was central to early Judeo-Christianity, or to the Bible itself. Especially since of course, finally, p) we found that the Bible itself, referred a dozen times or more, to the destruction of heaven itself.


Though promises of life in an eternal heaven, have long been one of the “pillars” of Christianity, for its own part, the Bible itself does not firmly or unambiguously or consistently, endorse any such concept. Indeed, any alleged references to an afterlife in an eternal heaven, are most often, q) really about the eternality of God himself; not heaven, itself. Or indeed, even the few vague references to an eternal heaven, are at most mere vague allusions; and those, primarily not from the Jewish tradition, but are from Plato, (by way of the Roman citizen Paul, especially). And so that nothing in the Bible that appears to promise eternal life in heaven, can be taken as a really firm endorsements of any such concept.


r) And indeed we find here, an afterlife in heaven is in fact somewhat doubtful; and not only because few are good enough to get it. But because of dozens of other good reasons, just noted here; internal sins in the basic idea itself, or an inability to find it clearly even in the Bible itself. Indeed, there is so little evidence for this in the Bible itself, that s) we must conclude here that any alleged references to a firmly eternal heaven, are projections of wishful thinking. Or r) they are best regarded as being even simply the forewarned dishonest and false promises, false sermons, “empty words,” “deceit”s by priests; designed to entice people to follow preachers, but on the basis of false enticements.



Indeed, t) many more honest theologies and sermons today, refer to hope of heaven, as a “hope”; not as an “assurance.” Not just or even primarily because no one but God can “judge” who is good; but even more because, in dozens of ways, we have shown, the promise itself was never really firm, even in the Bible itself. Indeed, if the doctrine of an eternal life in heaven for human beings, is ever found in the Bible at all, it seems to be a rather hidden idea; visible only if you know Plato existing by remote reference to Greek ideas; hiding in the Bible, like Greeks in a Trojan Horse. Without ever being fully revealed or endorsed. And indeed, being flatly contradicted by those dozen or more clear, unambiguous references to the destruction of heaven, noted here, from the start.

All those preachers therefore, who constantly promised us heaven, were “deceived,” or were “deceivers.”


Perhaps all along, we should never have made …



“Any likeness of anything that is heaven above” (Deut. 5.8).


“It is not in heaven, that you should say” (Deut. 30.12).



5) Related to confusions about an eternal heaven, might be somewhat different, but perhaps related, references to the promise of a “kingdom of heaven,” of God on earth; said to be coming here to earth, too. a) Yet the kingdom of heaven on earth, is not quite “heaven.” And so it is only indirectly relevant here.


While in any case, there are many apparent uncertainties in that “kingdom” too. Especially, note, to be sure an allegedly eternal and ideal “kingdom of heaven,” was at times said to be “at hand” fully two thousand years ago (Mat. 10.7). Yet b) the kingdom of the day, early Christianity, “suffered violence, and the violent take it by force,” in the time of Jesus (Mat. 11.12 NRSV).


c) Indeed – as many scholarly critics of the “kingdom” now famously note – Jesus they say, indeed, promised an absolutely wonderful, ideal, eternal kingdom of God on earth; and “soon,” “at hand,” (Mat. 10.7) “presently.” A place, a kingdom, where the “lion” lays down with the “ox,” the “wolf” with the “sheep”; a place where there are no more “tears” or “pain.” And yet, history has shown that no such thing was ever produced anywhere. Not in the time of Jesus himself; nor later in history either. We were promised an ideal life; but just looking around us, shows that no place on earth, has existed, like this kingdom of heaven on earth. No place on earth has ever been as good as all that was promised or prophesied; either in the time of Jesus himself, or since (Isa. 65-6; Rev. 21; etc.). Even the best Christians of Jesus’ time, were often martyred; or killed. As was Jesus himself; Jesus suffering pain.


So that the ideal, “full” kingdom was not realized even in the time of Jesus. While as for times since? Many churches claimed they were the promised kingdom. Yet many Christians in those churches, have lived in poverty and disease. Some Churches claimed that they were the promised ideal kingdom of God on earth … and yet, even as recently as the 1980’s, even a Pope, like John Paul II, was shot by a would-be assassin. So that even in the Roman Catholic Church, even in the Vatican itself, life never quite fully realized the promised ideal “kingdom of heaven” on earth; no place on earth was ever pain free, and absolutely peaceful.


d) Indeed, given all the practical problems with all would-be ideal kingdoms of heaven on earth, even in the days of Jesus himself, finally even St. Peter himself, began to suggest that if we were promised an ideal kingdom of heaven on earth, “soon,” then perhaps we would have to reinterpret “soon”; to mean thousands of years (q.v.).


e) And then too, and perhaps noticing already problems with realizing heaven on earth, Jesus himself began to speak of a more subtle, metaphorical or partial kingdom; existing underneath conventional kingdoms, like “leaven” (Mat. 13.33)
or the air or gas, in bread, say; a shadow government hidden within the normal structure of things. Moderating things, but not dominating them, perhaps.


In any case, the promised eternal kingdom of heaven on earth, was not yet quite fully realized. Indeed, that is why the whole earth is waiting for yet another, “second” coming of God to earth.


Promises of an “eternal” heaven, which assert it has been already fully realized – either in heaven, or on earth – therefore, have to date, both been unreliable. Among other problems, we find that they are actually from traditions other than Jesus and the Bible; or such legends are vague at best. And if such traditions exist at all, they are mostly from the Greeks, Plato. Or from interested parties, dishonest preachers trying to offer dishonest enticements, “enchant”ing but unreliable promises, to people; to try to gain more followers than they deserve, with false and dishonest promises, and prophesies. No doubt, many billions of Christians were attracted to Christianity by promises of Heaven; and yet however, we now find that those promises were speculative, at best.


There are therefore many sins in the all-too-common sermons of millions of preachers, that promised heaven to us. Aside from Biblical objections to them, dozens of quotes from the Bible itself assuring us heaven is to be destroyed, there are questions as to where such rumors came from in the first place; and what ulterior motives were behind such offers.



6) At times, the Bible seemed to support an eternal heaven. But mostly, not. Perhaps there are things, “treasures,” that do not “rot” or “perish” in heaven; but a) perhaps they merely come to another fate or end; maybe they “dissolve” with heaven itself. Or b) the treasures in heaven perish outside heaven … after “fall”ing. Or c) they are after all, destroyed by spiritual “fire,” not rot. Or d) perhaps in any case, heaven is like a refrigerator, that preserves things … but only for so long as it itself exists.


So indeed, perhaps we have treasure in heaven … but after all, even that “treasure” is fated. Because e) indeed clearly, heaven itself is clearly supposed to be destroyed, or to “dissolve.” Said the Bible itself, a dozen times. As for heaven? It “will perish.”


Though Jesus at times told believers that “your reward is great in heaven,” and in a future “kingdom,” finally the rewards in heaven might be good, immune from the “moth” and so forth; but there was no firm guarantee that heaven was immune to any and all forms of dissolution. Indeed in fact, the Bible was full of warnings of, if not “moths,” then other ills, in heaven itself; that would eventually destroy it.


Jesus himself in any case agreeing eventually that “heaven and earth will pass away” (Luke 21.23):



“Heaven and earth will pass away” (Luke 21.33; Mark 13.31; Mat. 24.35, 24.29).



Indeed, we will see, the Bible tells us to honor what we see “come to pass” in real life, in History. And if history teaches anything, it teaches that many kings and religions have declared themselves “eternal” … and yet they have fallen (as H. L. Mencken said in one essay of his?).


7) So have our ministers, our priests, our “father”s, and their promises of heaven and so forth, been totally reliable? “You have one Father,” said Jesus, “who is in heaven” (Mat. 23.9). While the Bible warned constantly, as we will see, about all the many agencies that wrote down such promises in our Bibles; in the angels and prophets. Indeed finally, even the authors of our Bibles, even “the stars will fall from heaven” (Mat. 24.29).


Or in any case, the survival of heaven, or of this or that alleged “eternal” truth, are very complicated matters; so that indeed, those who confidently say anything about heaven – other than that it “will perish” – those who claim anything they think or know as “eternal,” are rather presumptuous (Ecc.):



“For God is in heaven [among other places], and you upon earth; therefore let your words be few” (Ecc. 5.2 NRSV).



The most we might say, from the above and so forth, is that God himself lives on, it seems.


But insofar as we can say anything much about Heaven? All we know here, is that, whatever Plato might have said, the Bible itself said over and over and over again, regarding Heaven … that it “will perish.” It will indeed even, vanish like “smoke”:



“The heavens will vanish like smoke” (Isa. 51.6).



Not just heaven itself, moreover, but all those in it – all our highest saints and angels and apostles and priests in heaven itself; and those who said there was a heaven for ancient people – are to “fall” and dissolve:



“All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. All their host shall fall, as leaves falling from the fig tree. For my sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; behold, it descends for judgement….” (Isa. 34.4-5).



Our Judeo-Christian heaven itself therefore – and not just heaven, but also even “all” in it; even the highest saints and apostles and prophets, and anyone else we thought was in heaven – is clearly, supposed to be destroyed.


Likewise we have found here, a) none of the apparent references to an “eternal” heaven, really said that, when read more closely. While b) any remaining hint otherwise, is at best just a vague hint; is c) rare; is contradicted by dozens of firm references to the destruction of heaven. And d) any such reference is questionable; mostly hints that heaven is eternal, being really about the eternality of God himself, not of heaven proper. Or e) such hints are from questionable traditions; like the tradition of the Pharisees; or the Greeks.


Promises of any “eternal” life in heaven therefore, were never as firm as our preachers found it convenient to make them.


8) Perhaps we live on forever, in say the “memory” of God, the Bible hints; but a) God is not just in, but also “above all heavens”; filling all things, heaven “and earth.” Indeed, b) the old heaven is to be destroyed; and c) the “new heaven” that is created, is supposed to come down to merge with this material earth. So that finally, it may be, our immortality is largely in, this material earth.




How to Face The Destruction of Heaven?

Because Next, Comes a “New Heaven” on Earth



Indeed therefore, promises of 1) an “eternal” heaven, now seem false. While 2) related to this, as for the kingdom of heaven on earth … that has not yet been fully realized by any church, either.


Indeed, the destruction of heaven itself, seems more and more certain. But 3) how can we “face” or “bear” this? In fact, we can learn to face it … on discovering for example, that this does not destroy, but confirms, the Bible itself; the Bible itself called for this destruction, over and over.


4) And now furthermore, especially, believers can now learn to face this at last … on being told that after all, while our traditional Christian heaven is clearly supposed to be destroyed – if, as a matter of fact, the heaven full of apostles and saints that promised us “faith” and “miracles” and “spirituality,” is even now being demolished by contemporary Theology, Religious Studies – then finally, the Bible itself says, all this is to the good. Because, as it turns out, even as our old heaven is being demolished … we are supposed, even now, to come to see a “second” coming (Gk. “parousia”; appearance) of God; and a “new” and better heaven at last. A new and better heaven appears; one that, moreover, comes down to earth, to realize wonders, here on earth:



“The heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgement…” (2 Peter 3.7).


“The heavens will pass away with a loud noise” (2 Peter 3.10).


“The heavens will be kindled and dissolved…. But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells” (2 Peter. 3.12-13).


“For behold, I create new heavens … and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind” (Isa. 65.17).


“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth…. And I saw the holy city new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; and I heard a great voice from the throne saying, ‘Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; and he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.’ And he who sat upon the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.'” (Rev. 21.1-5).


“I will extend prosperity … like a river” (Isa. 66.12).



Amazingly then, the destruction of heaven is a positive event; because it opens up the way for another, second, better heaven; one that comes down to earth.


But when do the “new heavens” appear? The apostle John, writing the Gospel of John c. 90 AD, as they say, wrote about this event, in language in past tense; which might suggest to some that a) he John had already seen or “witness”ed the first signs of new heaven arriving. But more exactly, the past tense means b) that he John, had foreseen the whole event, in a past vision; a past vision of an event to arrive in the future, some time after John:



“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away” (Rev. 21.1).


“And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write; for these words are true and faithful” (Rev. 21.5).



John’s vision was in the past; but it was for an event that was supposed to come some time after John. Indeed, it could not have fully come in the past; because no place on earth was ever quite as good as what the Bible promised, already. Many churches have liked to say, even in John’s time, that they and Christianity, were already the foretold new kingdom of heaven on earth. And yet there are practical, aa) factual objections to this; no place, no church on earth, was ever quite fully as good as the promised “kingdom” was supposed to be; a place where there was no more “pain,” or death; where the wolf lies down with the sheep, and so forth.


While then too, c) we also know that the new heaven had not been fully realized, because in any case the destruction of heavens, that were to precede that, were not yet over; that the destruction of even the Christian heaven awaited … as Peter spoke of even his own “present” – and therefore, the Christian – heaven as still due to be destroyed:



“By the same word the present heavens … have been reserved for fire….” (2 Peter 3.7, NRSV).


“The world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgement and destruction….” (2 Peter 3.7 RSV; italics, mine).


“Though they climb up to heaven, from there I will bring them down” (Amos 9.2).



The destruction of heaven had not taken place yet, in the time of Jesus either. Even Jesus himself, spoke of it as an event that would or “will” take place, in the future, some time after Jesus:



“Heaven … will pass away…. Take heed, watch…” (Jesus, or God; in The Holy Bible, New Testament, Gospel book of St. Mark, 13.31-32; Revised Standard Version, or RSV)



Thus, neither the destruction of heaven, nor the later full coming of the new heaven on earth, had taken place either in the time of Jesus, nor by the time of his apostles.


Indeed, even at the very end of the New Testament, Peter is still speaking of the new heavens as something yet to come ; as something for which Christians were still “wait”ing:



“We wait for new heavens” (2 Peter 3.13).


[See also “new” things, below.]



Indeed, d) confirming all this intuitively, most of Christianity today, when it thinks of such things clearly at all, thinks of the Apocalypse, or the Second Coming – and, as part of that, the new heaven on earth; God on earth – as something not yet fully accomplished, as of this writing; c. 2007 AD.





Looking Ahead




The Destruction of Heaven was guaranteed therefore, by God himself.


5) Yet to be sure, Christians should at last find the courage to at last face science and practical experience, as they found problems, sins in their religious traditions. Believers should be able to simply face those things … because one “day” after all, we are supposed to discover sins even in the holiest men and angels in heaven itself. In fact one day, because of those bad things in “all” our holy men,” our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed.


Believers therefore should now be able to at last face and admit bad things even in their holiest religious traditions. On discovering here and now, that after all, a) all this does not deny, but confirms, the Bible itself.



6) But especially too, as we will have been showing in our other books, believers should now be prepared to face the most negative findings of science, on traditional religion – on hearing next, the immensely positive side to this. On discovering that after all, while our traditional heaven is supposed to be destroyed, then after all, after that, we are supposed to see Second Coming. And as part of that, a “new heaven” that comes down to earth (Rev. 21) – is supposed to appear.


Those who find it hard to face the current apocalyptic revelations, of massive sins in our churches, therefore should at last be able to find the information here, to simply face all this at last; to face and confess the sins of the churches. Not only because this is not the termination, but the fulfillment of the Bible itself. But also because … there is a great positive reward for facing this. Because as the old heaven is dissolved, burned away … to make room for the “new heaven.” One that moreover, comes down to earth:



“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth…. And I saw the holy city new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; and I heard a great voice from the throne saying, ‘Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.’ And he who sat upon the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.'” (Rev. 21.1-5; from Isaiah, etc.).


“I will extend prosperity … like a river” (Isa. 66.12).



The emptying destruction of heaven, is therefore a good event; it is like the cleaning of the old storage areas, the burning away of chaff, before a new harvest comes in. It clears away old problems … and clears the way for a new and better heaven; one that moreover, does not stay permanent fixed in the ether, but that comes down to this material, physical world at last; so that God and good, live in physical form, on this material earth again.


To be sure, many churches and nations and individuals, unfortunately, have often declared this or that person – or even themselves – to be this new God, this heaven, this “kingdom,” on earth. But History taught us that no church or nation or individual whatsoever, has ever really quite as good, as what the Bible promised. Even Jesus himself, died before completely delivering the “full,” ideal kingdom of God on earth, as just described above. Regarding the promised “kingdom” therefore, until today most theologians have been agreed that the full “kingdom” and second coming, are not “already” here; they have “not yet” fully come. Indeed, most of Christianity got at least this right: good as he might have been, Jesus they say did not fully deliver all that was promised in his own lifetime; so that yet another, “second” coming of Christ will be required to do that; while most say, the Second Coming has not taken place, until now; as of this date. So that … the Second Coming is still open and ready.


Over the centuries, many churches have claimed that a) the arrival of Jesus for the first time, and the arrival of conventional Christianity, was the full, promised new kingdom. Or, more specifically, even, b) many churches, many popes and bishops and televangelists, have all but claimed to themselves be God, Jesus, on earth. But what we are seeing here, is quite different from that. What we are seeing here, is what most Christians rightly suspected: that c) the arrival of Jesus did not fully fulfill, all the promises made in the Bible for the Second Coming, the “day” of Judgement. So that, d) nearly the whole earth has been properly waiting for yet another, Second Coming of Christ. One that can at last, more fully deliver on the old promises. While e) here we might suggest in the end, that it is not even so much our proud churches in themselves, that were to be the means by which the full vision and promises of God, are to be delivered. Rather, we will have been showing in our earlier volumes, what finally delivers the fuller vision of Christ and God … is actually, the re-discovery, of what we will have called, “The Fuller Science of God.”


In our earlier volumes, we will have worked to show that in fact, God never really wanted out religion to be based on a) confidence in priests and holy men. Instead, God warned that all holy men and angels often sinned. So that b) rather than having total “faith” in them or their sayings about God, instead, we are supposed to c) critically examine them all, continually; with a critical kind of “science,” as God described it. In order to find out which things in religion were true, and which were false.


So that we will show, God really wanted us to base our Christianity not on “faith,” but on “science.”


Historically in fact, what has actually shown the most “signs,” of being “fruit”ful? Western, “Christian” nations, have done extremely well to date; but ironically, it was not by being simply, just, “religious.” Most everyday people in the west, are partially “religious” … but also partially … scientific and practical. So that it would appear that what shows the most signs of being fruitful, is not being just priestly, religious; but is rather, a combination of classic (even partially spiritual?) religion, Christianity … with however, even more than that, the full practical, material sense, and practical knowledge, of the ordinary working lay person. Who we will have seen elsewhere, even in his occasionally excessive materialism, was still far closer to the God of the Old Testament – and even of the New – than our very, fatally over-spiritual priests. In our many works there and elsewhere therefore, we will have begun to come to seemingly, startlingly different vision, appearance, to Christ. First of all, in this particular book here, we will have begun to recall that the Bible itself – and the Church itself – did not really tell us to rely that strongly on our religious leaders; since really, they were never “perfect.” While other volumes, we began to show that what shows the strongest “signs” of really being “fruit”ful, and being the right theology, the fuller vision of Christ, is not the priests’ spiritual religion of faith; but rather, the ordinary good but practical working man or woman’s combination; devoting one seventh of the week and life, to “religion” and the “Sabbath”; but then obeying the commandment from God to after all, “work the rest of the week”; work 6/7 of the time. As in fact, the Bible commanded.


There are very spiritual nations – like India. But spirituality seemed to despise material reality too much; and so it did not lead to prosperity, but to poverty. So that actually, historically, the actual prescription that has been historically, most “fruit”ful, is not really turning everyone into spiritual priests; far from it. Rather, we will have been showing in earlier volumes, the right view is … a combination of religion and … science. One which amazingly enough, we will have found firmly described and commanded for us all – especially, priests. In the Bible itself.


The Science of God, we will have seen in earlier books, is at last a vision which fulfills prophesies of a “new heaven,” even as it is not entirely a “strange new doctrine.” Just as John noted of the “new commandment” to “love one another as your neighbor,” all this is in a way “new”; but in another, not new at all. Since the theological science we will have been outlining, is found to have been embedded all along, deep inside the one book our holy men were often pledged to revere: the Science of God, is found advocated, commanded for us over and over again, deep within the Bible itself. So, just as Jesus’ “new commandment” is new in once sense, but not new, we will, by careful attention to the Bible, have seen the realization of prophesy for a thing that is both “new” and yet as conservatively real as can be imagined: we will have found the foretold second, at-once “new,” but also ancient, vision, appearance, of Christ. Christ a) warning of false things in our holiest men and angels, once again; just as he warned of the priests, the scribes and Pharisees of his own time. And Christ once again, telling us that therefore, to find out what is actually good and true in religion, we should not have too much “faith” in effect, but should carefully and continually re-evaluate our holiest men, by “observ”ing their material, physical “fruits,” “works,” “signs,” “deeds,” “proofs.” Or as Jesus: has some tremendous advantages over the old. Among which is the fact that the new heaven is supposed to … come down to earth. To be a material place, here on this material earth. To realize great material things, here on earth at last:

most famously said:



“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” (Jesus, in Mark, 13.31).


“Beware of false prophets…. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree ears evil fruit.… Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire…. Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father…. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name….’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers'” (Mat. 7.15-23; 24.11-24).



In this moment, in the end to be sure, many things that we traditionally thought were true about God, turn out to have been turned around. Many a) things thought “first” with God, are found “last”; b) many thought to be “noble,” are found to be “fools”; many c) thought to be sacred and holy “prophets,” d) good priests, e) “prophets,” are found to have been “false”; to have been f) allied to bad magicians and “sorcerers,” all along.


Which is what we have just seen, now, after all.










[Footnote: Attempts have often been made in various churches, to assert or hint that an apocalyptic judgement “day” has already, fully come to some members of the Church. Especially, the concept seems to be invoked by the Catholic Church, when it designated our Sunday – as opposed to the true Jewish/Old Testament Sabbath, or essentially Saturday, daytime – as a replacement for the Jewish Sabbath; calling Sunday the “Day of the Lord.” The significance here, was a slyly indirect acknowledgment that to be sure, Christianity has diverged slightly from the Old Testament, and Judaism; and that involved necessarily some transformations, deviations from the old Jewish Heaven, the old Jewish God. Such transformations have been veiled, hidden from everyday Christians (as they were hidden from Jews in the time of early Christianity no doubt). But over the years, those changes have been adequately outlined: in particular say, the various food prohibitions, rules for food, in the Old Testament and Judaism, were significantly changed, in the New Testament and Christianity. For example, the 1) eating of pork, “pig,” of the flesh of animals without “cloven hoofs” that did not chew the “cud,” was forbidden not just for “the Jews” as some say, but forbidden for all, by God in the Old Testament (Deut. 14, Lev. 11) – but today of course Christians eat pork, pig meat. While this was an issue in the New Testament, it was said to be decided, the ancient law of God was dropped here, when Peter had a “dream” allowing him to eat anything, among other things. But then too, 2) there was in the Old Testament a series of commands not to do any work whatsoever on the Sabbath; not even work necessary to prepare food; like gathering food, or gathering wood “sticks” to cook it. Parts of the OT prohibit such work; like Moses telling the people to gather enough “manna” on Friday, to last through Friday and the Saturday, the Sabbath (Ex. 16.22-30). Indeed, God’s prohibition on preparing food or otherwise “work”ing on Saturday or Sabbath, was so strong, that a man was executed, just for gathering “sticks” of wood on that day (Num. 15.32-35). But to be sure, all these severe regulations, contrasted with Gentile Christian holidays and practices. So how did Christianity deal with this apparent conflict with the Old Testament God? By dozens of arguments. Among dozens of rationalizations, Paul argued a new dispensation or “covenant” or “law” for Gentiles than for Old Testament Jews. Though it now seems that ultimately the Church began to simply change their holiday from the essentially Saturday Sabbath, to Sunday. And to justify this? Among other arguments, it renamed Sunday the “Day of the Lord”; allegedly in 1) celebration (!) of the day Christ was crucified. Though to be sure, 2) the terminology “Day of the Lord,” also hinted that the Church was attempting to use the prophetic tradition of a transformational Day of the Lord, to simply suggest that God had returned to earth as Jesus; and as foretold, had simply corrected some previous religious errors.


So to be sure, some have said that God returned to earth many times already; and some have hinted that there has already been a Day of the Lord, Judgement Day: that happened when Jesus came to earth, and corrected or sublated many old Jewish ideas with allegedly different ideas, but really similar ideas that were in the same “spirit,” say. And indeed, there are many arguments that the coming of Jesus, the first time, completely fulfilled the promises of the Bible; including ancient promises of Judgement Day, a Day of the Lord. On the other hand, most Christians have grudgingly felt that not all of the wonderful promises, of an ideal “kingdom,” were ever completely fulfilled by any church; not even in the 2,000 years since Jesus was executed. No church, no kingdom, was ever quite as good as the ideal kingdom pictured in Revelations say; where there were no more “tears,” no more “pain,” no more “death,” etc.. So that intuitively, most Christians have assumed that yet another, “second” coming of God or Christ to earth, was necessary. Before the old promises of our Lord are “full”y fulfilled.


So that the possibility – and even the necessity – of a “second coming,” a “Day of the Lord,” a radical change even in our Heaven itself, has remained open. Until this very day. As we begin to see once again, another, better vision of Christ; from the Bible itself. As advocating not blind faith, but a critical, Science of God.]












Authority to Change and Destroy Heaven



Can heaven change? And if so, who has the authority to change it? In the past, only churches claimed that right; and they did it surreptitiously. Using parts of the Bible we might look at here however.


Significantly, the power to radically change – “bind”; “loosen” – things, even in heaven itself, seems at times to have been given even to human beings. For example, note that in the following passage of the Bible, amazingly, Jesus seems to give a human being – the Apostle/St. Peter for instance – the authority to change – “bind”; “loosen” – things, even in heaven itself:



“He asked his disciples, ‘Who do men say the Son of man is…? Who do you say I am?’ Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ And Jesus answered him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona…! And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church…. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven'” (Mat. 16.19).



This is a rather amazing passage. Which seems to give a mere human being – Peter – the power to change things in heaven, itself.


This very passage is in point of fact, the passage that Catholic priests like to quote over and over; because it seems to give them, priests, great power. Indeed, it seems to give them, or human beings, far more power than they want to tell ordinary churchgoers; the power and authority to “bind” and “loosen” – change – things, even in heaven itself. “Binding” and “loosen”ing are probably, legal terms; from the law of contracts perhaps; referring to the power to confine, or release. Here, this passage therefore seems to confer a very significant amount of power it seems; it seems to give even mere human beings, the authority to change, control things … even in heaven itself.


Are mere human beings, really granted the power to change heaven itself? This seems incredible. And no doubt, even most priests have been either 1) unaware of such passages; or 2) priests don’t like to clearly note these passages, in sermons. Many priests might not like to note these passages to churchgoers; since churchgoers might become suspicious about the truthfulness and godliness and eternality of their religion … if they knew that our obviously fallible priests, had long ago granted themselves the right and power, to change core things in religion; to change even heaven itself. To change things that we thought were “eternal,” and fixed only by God himself; not human beings or priests.


But in any case, suppose we accept this: Jesus himself seemed to give human beings the power to change Heaven itself. Then a) who indeed has the power to work these changes? For many centuries, the Roman Catholic Church has suggested that St. Peter was given this authority, by Jesus. While b) the Church has proudly asserted that the Roman Catholic Church, inherited this power; since it claims the authority given to Peter by Jesus, was passed on to … the Popes. In a process the Church calls “apostolic succession.” And yet however, c) Protestants and other churches have long contested the authority of the church; and there are many detailed arguments, arguing that the Church’s authority, the authority of Peter, is not found in the Bible. While as it turns out, d) even if we concede that the Catholic Church is the “Church of St. Peter,” and even that e) its popes are the successors of Peter … as it turns out, there are several, unpublicized, massive sins in the churches’ vanities, here.


Catholic priests in particular, have not been honest. They have always liked to quote misleading parts of the Bible; especially they have always like to quote to everyone, the parts of the Bible that, taken by themselves, seems to support the authority of priests. In this case, priests quote over and over, the part of the Bible, where Jesus seemed to give St. Peter very, very great authority.. Yet here as usual, priests have been, as usual, vain and dishonest. Here particularly, they have been able to face, and have shown or emphasized to all the people, only misleading “parts” of the Bible. As usual, they have not told the whole story; they have not shown us the “full”er outline of Christ. As we will show, now.


Priests, have loved to quote or emphasize, the part of the Bible, we are about to quote here. The part, the fragment of the Bible that, taken just by itself, seemed to have Jesus expressing full confidence in both Peter, and the Church. Priests love to quote to us the following passage. Indeed, the following fragment of the Bible, has been quoted billions of times by priests, to a billion human beings, for nearly 2,000 years, as the keystone establishing the authority of the Church, over all of earth, and even over heaven too:


“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death [“gates of Hell” or Hades] shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be found in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’ ” (Mat. 16.18-19).



Priests have always quoted this decontextualized “part” of the Bible; because it seems to show Jesus himself adamantly, powerful, unequivocally supporting priests, and the Church. But now it is time to take a “second” look at our Bibles; to read them a little more closely, and a little more “fully.” And if we do that, we will see another, rather different Christ, delivering quite a different message, from what we were always told un church.


Let’s take a “Second” look at our Bibles, here and now, at last. Let’s try to see the whole text; reading all of it more fully. If we do that, that we will be shocked to find that here as usual, just as God warned, “all” our priests have … been dishonest and deceitful. Just as Paul warned, even “we” Christians and priests and apostles, saw or spoke, of only “part” of the truth; only part of the Bible; only part of what God said. Here as usual, our priests misread the Bibles to us; and as usual, specifically, our priests systematically left out, failed to foreground, the “fuller” story, the rest of the story. Priests having failed to sufficiently emphasize, what happens next, in the story of Christ, apparently giving authority to Peter:



“Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell not one that he was the Christ. From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed…. And Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen….’ But he [[Jesus] turned and said to Peter, ‘Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [Gk. ” stumbling block”] to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men'” (Mat. 16.20-23).



Priests and ministers, churches, have never seen, or been able to tell, the “full” story of Jesus. They have quoted the parts of the Bible that seemed to flatter the power of priests. But they did not honestly face, and tell others about, the parts of the Bible that warned constantly about priests and holy men. The parts just quoted here, for example. Where, right after Jesus seems to express great confidence in Peter, a) Peter actually turns on Jesus, and Peter tells Jesus that Jesus is wrong. St. Peter turns on Jesus himself, and opposes Jesus:



“Peter began to rebuke him.”



But that’s not ever the worst of it, furthermore; b) not only has Peter turned against Jesus, and opposed Jesus; but Peter is even opposing Jesus moreover, on a major doctrinal matter; the necessity of the crucifixion. Peter is saying that Jesus should not be crucified.



“Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed…. Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen….'” (Mat. 16.20-23).



So here St. Peter is adamantly saying that Jesus is wrong; while Peter, our first pope moreover, is opposing Jesus on a major item of doctrine: the necessity of the crucifixion; the sacrifice of Jesus that was later said to save us all.


And then, next, incredibly, finally, it gets even worse. The opposition of the first Pope to Jesus himself, of course, is something that our priests of course, never manage to face publicly; or in any case if they one “day” see it, they never make this very clear, in church, to the rest of us, at all. But bad as this is, by far, this is not the most shattering thing that happens, in this neglected part of the Bible. Because what after all, happens next? What happens, is that c) Jesus himself, no less, turns on Peter, an apostle and the first pope. And Jesus tells us all, that Peter, the apostle and the first pope, the founder of the Church, is “Satan”:



“He [Jesus] turned and said to Peter, ‘Get behind me, Satan!‘” (Mat. 16.23).



Shatteringly, incredibly, millions of “believers” never really read their Bibles well enough; and so they never read this. Or our Catholic priests never really adequately stressed this part of the Bible. And yet, there it is: Jesus himself, no less, calling St. Peter himself, “Satan.”


Jesus calls St. Peter, “Satan”?! At first, this seems incredible and impossible; could this somehow, be a misreading? But Jesus makes himself very, perfectly, abundantly clear; expanding his awful criticism of Peter, in the very next line. Where Jesus firmly says, that Peter was a “hindrance” to Jesus; a “stumbling block.”



” ‘You are a hindrance [Gk. ” stumbling block”] to me.'”



Then Jesus goes so far as to firmly tell Peter – and anyone who actually reads his Bible fully, fairly, and honestly – that Peter was never on the side of Jesus and God, but was always on the side of mere, fallible “men”:



” ‘For you are not on the side of God, but of men'” (Mat. 16.20-23).



At first, it seemed impossible. It is exactly the opposite, to what all our priests told us in church. But indeed, there it is. Priests misquoted, misread the Bible to us all. Read more carefully, Jesus here adamantly does not support a) the apostles; b) and their words; to support c) especially Peter; or his d) two books of the Old Testament; to support Peter e) or say, his pronouncements on Jesus; or especially, f) Peter’s pronouncements on major doctrinal matters. What is more, incredibly, finally, it gets even far worse g) finally Jesus in fact, amazingly, calls St. Peter “Satan.” No less. So that h) in effect, if Jesus had ever appeared to support Peter, here Jesus revokes the authority of the founder of the Church, of Peter i) and his church; revoking his authority too of course, as the keeper of the keys to “heaven.” Christ effectively revoked his commission to Peter; as he even said that Peter, was “Satan,” no less.


The things we thought “first” with God, are now seen clearly, to be “last.”


At first, it seems impossible; 2,000 years of preachers have presented themselves as the voicepieces of God himself; 2,000 years of preachers have read parts of the Bible, that seemed to have Jesus supporting priests and churches enthusiastically. Priests told us over and over, that they themselves were “holy” or “sacred,” or that they alone knew the and told, the real “truth” about God. And yet? As we have read our Bibles here, more closely, we will have found within it, a very, very different message than what we were always told in church. Today to many, it looks as if the whole “Christian” message we heard in churches all over the world, for 2,000 years, was actually, the foretold, massive “deceit,” “illusion,” “delusion,” “false dream,” false “enchantment”; by false, bad priests following “false prophets,” “false apostles” like Peter.


At first this seems impossible. And no doubt, many of your own priests and ministers, will adamantly deny this; and offer a thousand sly, dishonest, sophistical arguments, to “disprove” this. Just as they always have when this surfaced earlier. And yet however, perhaps by now, the priests and even the people, are “mature” enough to at last simply “see,” and “face” this. And cease to be “blind.” But open their “eyes” and “see.” See that what has happened, is that long since, the foretold deceit of the whole world by false priests, a false Christ, long ago, took place. The whole world was deceived, by the same sort of myth or false delusion, as stories of Santa Claus (a myth in face historically related to Christianity; in the doctrine of after all, the Christian saint, St. Nick).


But if the whole “world” has been deceived by our very priests, the task for our own, more “mature” time, will be to simply, as foretold, witness the sins in our holy men and angels. And to witness the foretold dissolving of their “Heaven” itself. In order to see after all, a better, “Second” vision, a Second Coming, of Christ. One above and beyond what was offered by our priests and ministers and angels and churches.





The Second, and Better “Appearance”/”Parousia”/”Coming”

Of Christ




What is happening here is to be sure, Apocalyptic; our heaven itself is “dissolving” in front of our eyes. But we can take strength, and learn to face this at last; on remembering that after all, this does not destroy the Bible or our God; rather we are at last really truly finding the Bible, and God, more fully, at last.


What we are seeing here and now, is strictly in accordance with the Bible itself (with a few human errors; or apparent “errors” that we will later defend, if able). What we are seeing here is realization of prophesy; it is the “spiritual meaning,” as some would say, of the Apocalypse, and the Second Coming. Here, exactly as foretold of the End (Rev. 13, etc.), we find that a) priests and churches, clearly, have been “false”; they have been b) following “false prophets,” c) “false doctrines,” d) “false gospels, e) bad “angels,” leading f) bad churches; to g) “deceive” the h) whole “world,” with i) false “worship.” With especially j) “magic”al, k) “sorerers’ l) “illusion”s and m) “delusions,” n) “false dreams” and o) “enchantment”s. Deceived the whole world with finally p) the foretold false idea of Christ; a “False Christ.” But while this is so, even priests should at last have the courage to face this; on discovering that a) finding all this does not deny the Bible and God; but rather b) fulfills them. While c) as a practical matter, all this is to the good moreover. Since those who at last move up from “blind” “faith” in fallible authority, can begin to see a second and better vision of Christ, after all. Exactly as foretold.


Finally, “one only is Good”; God himself. Only he and the Christ of the Second Coming. And only they still have the power, to change Heaven and earth again.


But what finally, does the second and better vision of Christ look like? And what does the second Heaven, beyond all our churches, now look like?


That is the subject, of our other volumes.










[Yet in any case, a goodly portion of a second and better vision of Christ, is hereby, here and now, becoming available now, for all the world; on the Internet. For anyone to read, understand, and finally, obey. Above and beyond all “powers,” all “principalities”; above all churches; above even the Church of “Peter”; above all the “ministers” and religious “leaders”; above the “false spirits” of the “high places.” In the name of a God is even, finally, “above all heavens” (?; Ps. 57.5; 2 Ch. 2.6; 6.18).]


























And so, if we should come to see sins and errors, in heaven itself? Then surprisingly, here – among dozens of other places (see Scripture) – God himself is pictured as granting to human beings powers to … change things for the better; change things even in heaven itself, it seems. What is more, this is not the only place in the Bible where such powers are granted; indeed, there are many veiled passages in the Bible, that seem to give such authority to men: as for example the passage where Paul declared himself in Christ, with the same powers “as Christ,” etc.; the passages authorizing “scribes” to mix the “new” with the “old” – albeit with reservations – and so forth. (For more, see our writings on Scripture). And especially, we will find, God granted such authority to a science of God.


Yet to be sure, we might also say, we ourselves here and now, in this book, do not rely only on the claim that it is our own right as human beings to change heaven, and everything in religion. Here, in our present book, we change nothing at all; but merely rely on, constantly cite, the Bible itself not as changeable, but as authority; and if we effect any alleged changes at all in religion, it is only in a way carefully consistent with every word of the Bible itself.


So that it is not us personally, but God himself, that is demolishing our traditional heaven, we will find here. God, and his human agents, to be sure. Yet finally, we ourselves claim no more authority in religion, than the Bible itself allows. Though that authority might be considerable. Given the fact that the Bible for example, allows a mere fallible (Mat. 16.23; John 1.42, Gal. 1.18, 2.9-14) human being like Cephas/Simon/Peter, to change things in heaven itself. Some might say that if human beings have such authority, only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority of Peter, by “Apostolic Succession”; but see our notes later, on the Church. And note the many sins of Peter, after all. Not only personal sins, but also sins in doctrine (see False Priests, etc.).


Many priests are rightly worried, about human beings presuming too much power for themselves; are afraid of rampant subjectivism, in which “every man does what is right in his own eyes.” Therefore, we need some authorities. Yet we will find here that, if some tentative authority is given to human beings, still, because of all their many, many, constant sins and errors, we just not give absolutely final authority to priests, bishops, popes. Finally only God himself is authorized to “judge.” In the meantime we will find, to avoid rampant subjectivism, to find some objective standard, it is better to say that only human beings with a strong mastery of the Science of God, should be allowed – and then only tentatively – such powers. Since Peter and priests, and their most “inspired” doctrines, we find, so often failed us (Mat. 16.23; John 1.42; Gal. 1.18, 2.9-14). As we will see. And as we can begin to see partially, even here and now; as we compare our priests’ constant assertions that they and their heaven are “eternal” for example … with what the Bible itself actually said.


Great authority is given to human beings; even over heaven itself it seems. Why is our old heaven being destroyed, though? Why can we, should we, help God change heaven itself? We will find here later, our old heaven itself, is to be destroyed … because after all, the old religious leaders, who “bound” and “loosed” things in heaven itself, were often flawed; and so the common vision of heaven itself was … likewise, flawed. Heaven is therefore to be destroyed, we will show here, because, just as we will see, just as God warned over and over … there were always great sins and errors, in our highest holiest men and angels; there were always sins in those human beings who … after all indeed, established, formed, our vision of heaven itself. In them personally, in their will … but also in their most “infallible” and “inspired” “dogmas” and “doctrines” and so forth, as well.


Our preachers to be sure, constantly read to us, in church, parts of the Bible that seemed to assure us that our preachers, our churches, are absolutely reliable, holy, sacred, perfect, and authoritative. But as it turns out, as we began to read our Bibles a little more closely here, we found that our preachers, 1) our churches, as their normal practice, read to us just misrepresentative “parts” of the Bible (see Paul: we see only in “part”). In particular, 2) preachers constantly quoted the parts of the Bible that, taken by themselves, seemed to give they themselves, our preachers, and holy men much authority. Our preachers constantly read to us the parts of the Bible that seemed to assure us our saints and apostles and angels and prophets were absolutely reliable; but then 3) our preachers left out, or failed to correctly emphasize, some other , absolutely critical parts of the Bible: especially, the many, many parts that warned constantly, that there have always been sins and errors in essentially all our priests and holy men. Even those in heaven itself. 4) Which is why finally, heaven itself is to be destroyed. Because even our holiest men were never honest with us, or themselves.


In the past, our churches and preachers, asserted that only they knew the Truth and God; and that only they had absolute authority. And in church, they quoted parts of the Bible, that seemed to support that. Yet as we will be seeing here, over and over, our preachers always read to us, just misrepresentative parts of the Bible; especially the parts where God seem to express full confidence and authority, in prophets and priests. While actually we will find here, that over and over, our preachers hid something from us all. In fact, our preachers hid – or “whitewash”ed or “twist”ed the meaning – of the major voice, in the entire Bible. Priests, preachers, traditionally presented the bible to us, as a simple document; one that tells us that if we just have faith in our holy men, they we will get miracles, or spirit things, and an eternal life in heaven. But actually we will be revealing in our book(s) here, that the Bible itself ultimately, in its “second” but stronger voice, was a much more self-critical document; one that warned us constantly that there have always been great sins and errors, even in our most “inspired” holy men and angels. Even those that occupied – and “bound” and “loosed” – things in heaven itself. In them personally … and in their most allegedly “inspired” “work”s too.


Preachers always quoted to us in church, only misleading parts of the Bible only; parts that seemed to assure us that preachers are absolutely reliable and true, and that their “heaven” was absolutely “eternal.” But in our books here, we will at last be unveiling, looking at, the many parts of the Bible that your preachers did not tell you about in church; or that they “twist”ed or “whitewashed” or topspun or laundered. Here, we will be looking at the parts of the Bible your preachers don’t want you to know about; the parts that warned us that essentially, “all” our holiest men and angels were often false; even in many of their “inspired” moments, and their most infallible doctrines.


Is it possible? Could all our holiest men and angels, those who lead our “worship,” be found to have been deceived, or deceptive? In fact, we will find, one “day” we are supposed to discover precisely that (Rev. 13, etc..).


So indeed, let us begin to at last, review here and now, the parts of the Bible that your preachers hid from themselves, and from you. The second and higher and better voice of the Bible; where the Bible began to note sins and errors, even in its own high holy fixtures; even in priests and prophets, angels and churches. Sins and errors in them, and their highest holy doctrines; like their doctrine of the “eternality” of heaven. As it turns out, what you heard in church, was not really what the Bible itself, God himself, finally, overall, really said.


And what was it that the Bible itself finally, really said, about heaven? It was this:



“The heavens will vanish like smoke” (Isa. 51.6).



God himself “does not change,” to be sure. But the things he created – like Heaven – and his appearance, and the way we perceive him, do change. Change even, mightily. While indeed, here and now, we have begun to see yet another appearance to Christ; seeing Christ here and now, advocating not blind faith in religious authority. But instead, seeing Christ now, very firmly commanding us all, to learn and follow, a more critical, Science of God.


So that now it is time for us all, all aware and honest persons, to follow that Christ; the real one. At last.






Looking Ahead and Behind




Here and elsewhere, we will have been seeing countless signs of sin and error, in our holiest men and angels, in point of fact; even according to the normally rather conservative Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, itself. And so it seems that it is time for perhaps, the most traumatic moment in your history. It is time to grow up. Or in Biblical terms, “mature.” Or in historical terms? To experience the foretold … apocalyptic second coming. Or especially the heretofore missing key to the second coming, and to the Bible: it is time to admit the sins of priests and churches … and witness the foretold, Destruction of Heaven.


Today many people, even preachers, are “troubled in their faith,” as they say. Many people are particularly troubled by apparent the lack of physical miracles say; or troubled by other conflicts between all the giant, physical miracles that earlier preachers promised, and what they actually see “come to pass” or “not come to pass” around them in real life (Deut. 18.22). So what should we say or think? Though our preachers have dozens, hundreds of apologetics arguments to try to excuse these problems, finally, a closer look at them seems to reveal logical and biblical flaws or false things, in every single one of them. So that it seems as if our childhood “heaven,” our Christ of miracles and spirituality, is collapsing. But finally, if all this seems hard to face, there is one – and only one – series of prophesies in the Bible, that really, finally, explains and fixes all this. Drastic as that solution is, actually, all this exactly fits a particular series of prophesies in the Bible itself: that told us that 1) indeed, there were always sins in our holy men and angels; and that 2) therefore we should not have had too much “faith” in them; but 3) instead, we should honor science over and above them, and their promises. And 4) if this finding seems to “dissolve” our heaven itself? Then that fits the Bible perfectly too; as it said that one “day,” God is supposed to reveal massive sins, even in the highest holy men and angels in heaven; and on that “day,” God is supposed to “dissolve” our traditional Heaven itself. 5) In order to show us something better.


At first, it seems impossible. But the Bible itself said that our Christian heaven itself, is not perfect, or eternal. One “day,” you are supposed to discover that there have always been huge sins and errors, in our holiest men and angels and preachers; even in their “inspired” “doctrines.” (Putting key Biblical words here, in quotes). And perhaps in that very moment, our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed (Rev. 12.9-13.9; Mat. 24.24, Mark 13.22; 1 John 2- 4, 2 John 1.7. 2 Peter 3; Mark 13.31; Isa. 34.4; Rev. 21).


Amazingly, one “day” you are supposed to discover that the whole earth, essentially all preachers, even Christianity, have been “under a strong delusion,” even in their “worship,” their “faith.” And in that moment, our heaven itself is supposed to be “dissolved.” And what is more, we will show here that the destruction of our traditional Heaven itself, is happening even now, for many of us. Even now – as we will show here – our traditional heaven – the heaven filled with apostles, saints, prophets, who we were told by preachers, demanded total “faith,” and promised “miracles” and “spirituality” – is being destroyed. The vision of God, the heaven that billions of believers were introduced to, in churches all over the earth … is being intellectually, spiritually demolished. By common sense, science, and science-based biblical scholarship, Religious Studies. Our traditional heaven of “faith” and “miracles” and “spirituality,” is being destroyed by a kind of science that, we will show, God told us to have, in the Bible itself: our old heaven is being destroyed by a kind of science the Bible itself told us to have: by the Science of God.


But if our old vision of God and Good and Heaven, are being demolished by the newspapers, and by experience, and by science … all that is to the good, we find here; all that is order for us to see – exactly as foretold, as prophesied – a “second,” better, “full”er, more “mature” vision, Coming, of God. One which the science of God will even here and now, begin to reveal.




Great Sins in Priests?

In Faith?



One “day,” we are supposed to notice that there have always been great sins and errors, even in our holiest men and angels and priests. And even today, this discovery has begun for some of us. Many of us are noticing some sins and errors in our priests and ministers, just from what we read in the newspapers; in countless stories of Roman Catholic Priests sexually molesting boys, for example. But, bad as that is, there is an aspect of this story that is even worse; that no one has been talking enough about. Which is this: there were great sins in our Church, and yet essentially all our Bishops lied to us; all our bishops covered this up, “whitewash”ed it … or lied to us, “deceiv”ed us, in effect. Note that essentially, all of our regional Catholic districts, or dioceses, had at least one such molester in it, or transferred to it; so that essentially, almost every single bishop in America knew, or should have known, that there were great sins in our priests. Yet, essentially, our bishops continued to tell us that the Church was absolutely holy and sacred and perfect. Even as they knew better. And this finally, is the really ominous aspect of this news story; the fact that hundreds – worldwide, probably thousands – of priests, were sexually molesting tens of thousands of boys, is just the tip of the iceberg; just the first hint or “sign” of a much, much, much more serious, even Apocalyptic, heaven-shattering situation. Which is … first of all, the discovery that essentially “all” of our priests and bishops, can lie – and often have lied – to us.


And that leads to a far, far more Apocalyptic suspicion: if essentially all our holiest bishops can lie to us, and deceive us … then how much more might they have lied to us about? Have there always been even greater, far more massive sins and errors and deceits, in essentially all of our Religion, in our Christianity … that our bishops have lied to us about, and whitewashed? Could there have been falsehoods, even deep in our holiest and most sacred church doctrines? Like say, ancient promises of “miracles”?


Many people have already noticed, just from their own daily experience and science, that many parts of traditional Christianity seem false; especially, promises of miracles. Traditionally, our priests and ministers told us that the basis of Christianity, was having total “faith”; and they often promised us solemnly, that if we just trust and had faith in preachers’ ideas about God, we would get huge, amazing physical miracles: the power to walk on water; the power to make bread appear out of thin air; the power to move real, literal “mountains”; the power to get “whatever” “whosoever” “ask”s. And yet however, many people do “faith”fully follow, and pray for the miracles that preachers once promised to us; and yet they find that no matter how good they are, or how they pray, or what they do … they still are not getting all the miracles that our preachers often promised: the power to walk on water, the power to make real actual “mountains” move.


And so, what should say now about our preachers and their Religion?

In the past, whenever science, reason, or everyday experience seemed to tell us that parts of our traditional Christianity – like promises of miracles – are false, our preachers told us that the Bible itself, told us to simply ignore that. When science or reason told us that parts of our religion – like promises of miracles – seemed false, our preachers told over and over again, even that “reason” and science were the enemy of religion, of Christianity; and that the real pattern we should always follow, is to have total “faith” in our holy men, and their ideas about God. And so, when parts of our traditional religion seemed false, we were told by our preachers, that we should just “faith”fully ignore all the signs of shortfalls in our religion – the lack of miracles and so forth. We were told constantly that our religion was perfect; or, if there were any signs of things less than perfect in it, we were commanded to ignore all the signs of error, sin, in our holy men and angels. And to just try to have more and still more “faith”; to believe. Even when our religion, our Christianity, did not seem to produce real, material, visible results. Or real material fruits, works, signs, deeds, proofs, prosperity.


Have there been great sins in our bishops, our holiest men … and even in their holiest promises? Like their promises of miracles? In the past, whenever we seemed to notice something wrong or false in our holy men, our churches – not just our priests personally, but even in holy “inspired” “doctrines,” like promises of miracles – our preachers just “whitewash”ed this. They assured us that there could not be any sins or errors in our Church. Or that in any case, we are supposed to ignore all such signs of sin and error in holy men. And especially, they told us to continue to loyally, “obedient”ly, trust and “believe” and have “faith” in our holy men, no matter what.


We were constantly told in churches all over the earth, in millions of sermons, that the essence of finding God and good, was, especially to have total “faith” in God; or in effect, faith in God as God was pictured to us in church, by priests and ministers. Do our holy men often seem wrong? Does our religion at times seem to fail? Do we not see all the miracles that our holy men promised? If we don’t, our preachers and churches, in the 1950’s say, always told us firmly – as their core message in fact – that Christianity was supposed to be based on “faith.” Or “faith-based,” as President Bush was to say. But what we are about to find out here, is that incredibly, against everything you always heard in church, actually, finally, the Bible itself, did not really tell us to be that faithful. That actually, the Bible itself finally delivered a very, very different message from what we always heard in churches, all over the entire earth. Actually, we will be finding here, the Bible itself, God himself, warned that 1) there have always been huge sins and errors in essentially “all” our holy men. And 2) therefore, religion, Christianity, was never supposed to be “faith-based” as they say; based on simply, faithfully following our priests and ministers; actually in fact, 3) the Bible itself tells us that Christianity is supposed to be science-based. Rather than being based on total “faith” in religious authority, actually, we are about to find here, religion, Christianity, is supposed to be based on constantly, critically, scientifically, looking at all our priests and bishops and holy men and angels; to see if they are really as good as they say they are. To see if they produce the real, material, good, physical “fruits,” “works,” “signs,” “deeds,” “proofs,” the “prosperity,” that God promised that good people would produce. And 4) if one “day,” such a “science” should show us that all our holiest men and angels have sinned – they, and their holiest doctrines too? That their promises of “miracles” were exaggerated or false, for example? Then amazingly, after all, one “day,” God said, we are supposed to discover all this. And our traditional “Heaven” – our heaven full of figures that stressed miracles for example; but also spirituality and faith – is supposed to be found “corrupt,” and is supposed to … be destroyed. In 5) order for us to see something better.


At first, this seems impossible. First, is it true that Religion, Christianity, are not supposed to be based on “faith,” but on science, instead? This to be sure, goes against what you always heard in church.
In church, our preachers and churches always assured us, over and over, that: 1) they themselves – our preachers and churches – were the reliable Voicepieces of God; and 2) therefore, we should always have great “faith” preachers and churches, and/or in their picture of God. Preachers and churches assured us constantly, that the very essence of being a good, Christian was to have great “faith.” And indeed, 3) if we did that, if we just had great, strong faith, then we were told, we would get many wonderful rewards, eventually. We would get: a) a wonderful physical “prosperity.” And b) “miracles.” Or failing that, wonderful c) mental or “spiritual” effects, like “hope,” “love,” and consolation. While finally we were promised an d) “eternal” life in “heaven.”


Have total faith in our holy men, or their vision of God – and we will get huge, tremendous rewards; this is what we heard, for centuries, for millennia – thousands of years in fact – from nearly all our churches, as the very core of Christianity. Especially, total “faith” was presented to us over and over again, as the very heart of all that is good and true and holy; we were constantly told in church that religion, Christianity, are supposed to be totally based, on faith. But we are about to show here, that actually, what you always heard in church, is not what the Bible itself, actually, finally said, overall.
In effect, your preachers always quoted misleading parts of the overall message of the Bible. And so all our preachers in the end, were false: they delivered a false idea of God; a false Christ.


As it turns out, as foretold, your preachers were partially false. Particularly, as it turns out, they always quoted or stressed, just misleading parts of the Bible to us; especially the parts that seemed to assure us that preachers and churches and holy men were totally reliable. But here we will find that – exactly as foretold – essentially “all” our preachers were “deceived,” “under and strong delusion.” And because of that, preachers – priests and ministers – and churches, missed – or deliberately misrepresented to us – the real, final, overall message of the Bible. Which was, once again, to summarize our five major points: 1) far from stressing just total “faith” in religious authority, holy men, and angels, actually, the Bible itself told us that one “day,” we are supposed to discover that there have always been great sins and errors, even in our very holiest men and angels; on earth, and even in heaven itself.


One Apocalyptic “Day,” you are supposed to discover – or be told about – sins and errors, in even our holiest apostles and churches; even in their most allegedly “inspired” doctrines and dogmas. And furthermore, because of that – because of longstanding and continuous sins in our holiest men and angels – 2) you are supposed to be told that, therefore, religion, Christianity, is not supposed to be based on total “faith” in our holy men, or in their picture of God. Rather 3) instead, we are supposed to begin examining “everything” (1 Thess. 5.21 RSV) in our holy men and churches, with real “science” (Dan. 1.4-15 KJE; Deut. 18.20 ff; 1 Kings 18.21 ff; Ezk. 20.18-25). To find out which things in our traditional religion, the traditional vision of God and Christ, were true, and really from God … and which were “false.” And 4) if this seems to destroy our traditional Heaven itself, then, incredibly, one Apocalyptic “day” our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed (2 Peter 3; Rev. 21; Isa. 65-6; Mark 13.31; Isa. 34.4 etc.). In order 5) for us to see a new, “second,” “full”er, more “mature” vision, Second Coming, of God. One beyond even the first coming, of God, in the New Testament.


A better understanding, vision, coming of God. Which we can begin to see emerging … even here and now.




The Science of God



We can get to see, even here and now, the first signs, or a sort of preview, of the Second Coming. But first to be sure, each of us has to pass, as foretold, though the “fire” of a painful critical examination of our existing, traditional Christianity. And indeed in fact, we will be finding out right away here that many of the core ideas of everyday or traditional, priestly Christianity, were simply false; according to a better reading of the Bible. The fact is, we will show here that the Bible itself told us that amazingly, Christianity was never supposed to be faith-based; it was supposed to be based on science, or practical reason. As we will see here, actually, far from stressing “faith,” finally the Bible told us that there have always been huge sins and errors, even in our very holiest men and churches. And therefore, we should not have been following our holy men with such “blind” “faith”; but instead, we were supposed to be carefully examining everything our holy men claimed – with real, classic, objective, science. Finally, in fact, far from following our holy men with total faith, we are supposed to follow only versions of religion, of Christianity, that – as we will show the Bible actually says – show real, material, physical, “observ”able,” “fruits,” “works,” “signs,” “deeds,” “proofs,” “prosperity”; in a timely way, “soon,” “at hand,” “quickly”; here on this material, physical “earth”; as verified by “science” and even scientific “test”ing.*


At times, our preachers tell us we cannot “test” God; and that means, we cannot apply science to religion; and preachers will cite over and over, the part of the Bible that seemed to say, “you shall not put the LORD your God to the test.” But we will find out here, that this phrase did not intend to prohibit scientific testing of Christianity; in fact the “thou-shalt-not-put-the-LORD-to-the-test” quote, is better translated, in most Bibles … as merely telling us not to test – or better said, “tempt” – God’s patience, (or “play the harlot” with him, in the original?); not to test God’s patience with our immoralities and greed. Indeed we will find, any translations of the Bible therefore, that seemed at first to tell us not to scientifically “test” God, or religion, or Christianity, or our preachers and churches and their doctrines, cannot really be seen as prohibiting scientific testing of them. As evidenced not only by different translations; but also especially since indeed, seventy, hundreds, thousands of other parts the Bible, made it clear that indeed, Christianity was supposed to be firmly based, explicitly, on scientific “test”ing; like the part of the Bible where God even explicitly told us, finally, things like this:



“Put me to the test, says the LORD” (Mal. 3.10);


“Test everything” (1 Thess. 5.21) with


“Understanding … science” (Dan. 1.4-15 KJE).



Amazingly therefore, we will come to a series of shattering, Apocalyptic conclusions: that 1) the Bible warned constantly that there have always been huge sins and errors, even in our holiest men and angels, and their most allegedly “perfect” or “inspired” “doctrines.” And therefore, amazingly, religion, 2) Christianity, was never supposed to be based on “faith”; 3) instead, it was supposed to be based on science. And 4) if this finding, seems to destroy our traditional heaven itself? Then, furthermore, amazingly, one “day” our heaven itself is supposed to be destroyed. In order for 5) God to show us a “second,” “full”er, more “mature” vision, Second Coming, of God.


A better vision, Coming of God … which is appearing even now, in current science-based Theology; in Religious Studies, and biblical scholarship. And here, in our outline of the basis for, these emerging sciences of God.




More Introduction;

The Science of God



Preachers – priests and ministers of all churches – constantly stressed “faith,” as the very core of Christianity, they said. But we will find out here, that the Bible itself constantly warned there have always been great sins in our holiest men and angels, and their most “inspired” doctrines. And therefore, though the Apostle/Saint Paul at times stressed “faith,” the vast majority of the Bible told us that actually, we are supposed to be constantly examining Christianity with “Science”; to see which things in it were materially fruitful here on this earth, and which were not. And those sayings which we thought were from God, which are not materially fruitful, here on this material earth, as confirmed by real, genuine, classic science, are not supposed to be faithfully followed, at all.


Far from following our preachers with total blind faith, actually, we are supposed to use a kind of science; to scientifically examine all the sayings attributed to God by preachers and holy men; to see if they lead to real, observable, timely, empirical, material results, here on this material “earth”; and if they do not lead to not even to “spiritual,” but real material results, then, far from continuing to follow them faithfully, instead, we are supposed to deduce … they were not really from God, at all. But were “false” sayings, from “false prophets,” etc.. (Deut. 18.20 ff; Dan. 1.4-15; 1 Kings 18.21 ff; etc.).


Parts of the Bible seemed to stress, following your preachers and traditional lessons blindly, “faith”fully; but if that is what parts seemed to say, finally, far from just blindly, faithfully following religious authority, the Bible overall, ultimately told us, that we are supposed to examine everything in religion, with real science; to see if it is true … or not. And in fact, this is what science-based biblical scholarship, and classic science, have been doing for centuries. Therefore, we will say here finally, Science-based biblical scholarship and classic science, are actually closer to God, than priests, with their pieties and faith.
And indeed, they are part of the second but better, arm, second coming, of God; exposing sins in our holiest men and angels. While, if they destroy our traditional heaven of “miracles” and “spirituality,” then after all, that is just as the Bible itself authorized, after all.


Many people sense that practical experience, science, reason, seem to suggest that parts of religion, Christianity – especially, promises of physical miracles – are false. And therefore, for many centuries, it has often been thought – and at times, even been taught from the pulpit, as the holy word of God – that practical experience, Reason, Logic, Science, common sense, attack priests and religion; and are therefore the enemy of God and Christianity. But we will show here at last, that the traditional attack by science and common sense, on much of Christianity is … what God commanded, in the Bible itself (2 Peter 3; Mark 13.31; Isa. 34.4; Rev. 21). Indeed, the scientific critique of religion is the very arm of God … purging heaven of impurities, after all. As foretold.


The fact is, again, these will be our central points: God himself, the Bible itself, warned us that 1) there have always been great sins in holy men and angels; and 2) therefore, we were not supposed to just keep blindly trusting and believing and having “Faith” in holy men and angels; but 3) instead, we were supposed to be applying “science” to them all along; to see if they were really getting real material results, fruits, or not. And 4) if we should find that applying science to religion – its promises of miracles especially – finds them to be false? And if this seems to shatter therefore, our traditional vision of Heaven itself? Then after all, one “day,” our traditional heaven itself, is supposed to be destroyed. In order for us to see at last, after all, a “Second,” “full”er, more “mature” vision, Second Coming, of God.


Practical sense, and Science and reason therefore – and say, contemporary science-based Theology, Religious Studies – are definitely not the enemy of God, therefore. Rather, practical reason and science, are in fact, part of … the “second” but primary “arm” of God; acting just as the Bible itself ordered.
Even as they examine and find false, many of the things in our highest holy heaven itself. Even as they demolish our traditional heaven of “miracles” and “spirituality,” practical knowledge and science are actually, fulfilling God’s plan; following a script, found deep inside … the Bible itself.


In fact, as you will see here and now, at last, the Bible is true; especially the story of an “Apocalypse,” and a “Second Coming,” we will find. The Holy Bible is true; but true in a way our preachers have not until now, “full”y understood. The fact is, far from stressing “faith” in holy men, or preachers, or their ideas about God, we will show here that actually, the Bible itself constantly warned that there have always been false things even in our holiest men and angels; in they themselves personally, but also in their allegedly “holy,” “perfect,” “sacred,” “inspired,” Holy Ghost doctrines. And indeed because of that, we will show that our preachers were indeed false; their idea that they themselves were reliable guides to God, and that Christianity is supposed to be faith-based, were wrong. Actually, Christianity was supposed to come to earth one day; as a science.


And finally too, we will find out here, ancient predictions of a “Day of the Lord,” an “End Time,” a “Judgement Day,” an “Apocalypse,” a “Second Coming” of God to earth, are true. But here we will be focused on a part of the Apocalypse, that our preachers overlooked, or denied; that your preachers could not “bear” to “face.”


Our preachers often spoke confusedly about the “Day” of the “End” of Time; the “Day of the Lord”; the “End Time”; the “Second Coming”; the “Apocalypse.” But our preachers always misunderstood, misrepresented this moment; the End. In the past, preachers often thought and said, that all the problems and confusions of religion, would be resolved, one “day,” in the “Apocalypse,” or the “Day of the Lord”; when God, they said, would return to earth again … to destroy the “world.” But actually, our preachers have misunderstood or misrepresented this “Day.” They key to it all is not the destruction of the “world.” Rather, the key to the Apocalypse, and to the future of humanity, is a moment in the End that our preachers never noticed, or were never able to “face” or “bear”; it is not the foretold destruction of the “world,” but rather, the foretold exposure of sins and “deceit”s in all our holy men, and their “worship” (Rev. 13); followed by the destruction of ... heaven.


As we will show here, God, good, prosperity, can come to the whole earth; in a Second Coming. But the key to it all in fact, they key to the End and then the Second Coming, we will find, is not the destruction of the “world” (or even of the “eon” or “age”); the destruction of the “world” is probably already long since, mostly over. The destruction of the “world” has happened twice over, already; 1) in the Flood, and 2) then some say, in the “overcom”ing of the “world” by Jesus. Therefore, the real, heretofore-missing key to repairing Christianity at last, to seeing the Second Coming, is not the destruction of the “world.” But the real key to the Apocalypse, and the future of humanity, is a shattering, impossibly painful but survivable moment, that our preachers could not “bear” to “face” – even though this moment is mentioned in the Bible itself, over and over again. And what is that moment, that key? The key to the happiness of mankind, is not the destruction of the “world”; rather, the key to it all is… the destruction of … heaven. Which exposes at last, sins in heaven itself. And which thereby opens up the way to the foretold “second” and “full”er and more “mature” and better and truer vision – the Second Coming – of God. At last.


The Bible itself is true, we will show here; but it is true in a way that our preachers have not, until now, understood, or been willing to tell you about. The fact is, a believer can come to see a “second” and better vision, Coming, “appearance” (Greek: “parousia”) of God and good. But first, to be sure, as foretold, we must “refine” our preachers here; and teach them to read their own Bibles a little better. The “Lord,” the good, can come, is now coming, to this material earth again. But first, the faithful follower has to pass through the … 1) Apocalyptic discovery of great sins and errors, even in our holiest men and angels and Apostles, and even our holiest “inspired” doctrines, in heaven itself. And then, related to this, the believer will have 2) to learn to use the Science of God. Then 3) pass through the … Apocalyptic destruction of heaven itself, by science and practical knowledge. As foretold by the Bible, itself (2 Peter 3; Isa. 34.4, 65-6; Mark 13.31; Rev. 21). Finally we will find, 4) only those believers, who have done this, who have passed through the destruction of Heaven itself, will see the “second” coming of God; and be admitted into the foretold “kingdom” of heaven on earth; as foretold, after all, in the Bible itself.


The longstanding, ongoing intellectual/spiritual demolition of our traditional vision of God and Good, by science and reason, in the past, has seemed to believers, to be bad and evil, or impossible to bear or face. And yet we at last justify science and reason, here, in language acceptable to believers; by using seventy, hundreds of quotes … from the Bible itself. To show that amazingly, all this was foretold, authorized, by the Bible itself. Amazingly, science, reason, are actually … acting for, are even the major part of … God himself.


Painful, unbelievable as it is therefore, let us begin, here and now; with the foretold … Destruction of Heaven. As foretold, as prophesied, by the Bible itself; as commanded, by God, himself.


Let us all therefore proceed with the foretold Destruction of Heaven … in order to learn to see, after that, the prophesied, “second,” “full”er, and better vision – the Second Coming – of God and good. And to learn to realize or see at last, God, Good, on this material earth; again at last.


As foretold, as prophesied, by the Bible itself; by God, himself.


























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